Subject: If you write and say "Bart, you're crazy to consider this possibility..."

 Dear Ms. Livemore,
                      
 I respectfully request that you please send this letter on to my good friend, Bartcop.
 Please send the complete letter.
                      
 Your friend,
 Keith
                      

 I am taking you up on your recent offer wherein you wrote:

 If you write and say "Bart, you're crazy to consider this possibility..."

 My friend, by gushing over the website that blames Israel for 9-11, it seems that you are endorsing
 the 'fact' that Bush isn't responsible for 9-11, and Israel is.  I have written you several times
 begging you to stop slandering the only LIBERAL democracy in the Middle East.

 Keith, you are laboring under a false impression.
 I haven't endorsed anything. I spent about 60 seconds at that website.
 The URL said "No Suicide Pilots" and "robotplane" and from that, I made
 the statement that this kind of talk will continue until we get some straight answers. 
 That's not slander.
 

 The cheap shots are really the kind of shit that I would expect from Rush and his ilk.
 Shots like "If the Jews loved their children more than sand, they would leave."
 And "they are there because they are religiously insane."
 
 Now those two things I said - because they are true.

 If I had a staff, I could tell you how many hundreds or thousands of families have been
 destroyed since I wrote that the first time. Let's say the figure is 500 families.
 500 families could be living peacefully in Oklahoma right now, not noooooooooooo.
 They chose to reject my advice, so they stayed on a pile of sand where they died.

 That's religious insanity - how can you say it's not?
 
 If you knew you might die if you stayed in Tampa, when you could move to Pensacola and live
 a carefree and happy life with your friends and your family, you'd be crazy to stay in Tampa.

 What part of living in peace for the rest of your life don't you like?
 
 If you want to die for your religion, I can't stop you. But I suggest you have no right to get your kids
 killed just because Dad is crazy enough to believe the invisible cloud being wants it that way.
 I make fun of the idiot rattlesnake handlers in Oklahoma, too, but tell me this:
 Is a child dying from a rattlesnake bite more stupid than a child dying from a suicide bomber attack?
 Dead is dead, right?

 I suggest you agree with me or endorse the snake handlers because you get the same result.
 Dying for your religion is insane.
 

 You know why our fighter jet planes weren't scrambled....Bush knew about the Muslim attack,
 and they were ordered to stand down. It has nothing to do with Israel...if it did, Bush would have
 to be in the know and bought out, and if he was, why would he be demanding that Israel sit by
 and let the Palestinians create a new, religiously-insane country out of Israeli land?

 Well now, the whole reason for "Bart, you're crazy to consider this possibility..."
 was the fact that our best fighter pilots sat idly by and watched the attacks on TV
 It seems you agree with me that they had to have orders to stand down since they didn't do their jobs.
 

 I can deconstruct almost every one of the so-called arguements on that rag site, and that's only
 after one read. The most obvious problem with their big lie (they don't even have the balls to
 post a comment link) is this: IF Israel could fly planes into anything they wanted, why not fly a
 couple into Mecca, Medina, Baghdad, Damascus, etc? Why not fly one into Iran's nuclear power plants?
 Why not fly one into Arafat's HQ?
                     
 They maintain that Mohammed Atta could not have intended to commit suicide, because he packed
 a suitcase for the flight....what? I can think of one good reason instantly: so as not to look suspicious.
 
 As to their contention that even a NYC mugger knows how dangerous people can be, and therefore
 no one could have hijacked those planes: Of course the passengers did not 'fight back'...the hijackers
 had fake bombs strapped to their bodies...the passengers had every reason to believe that fighting
 would result in instant death for everybody on board...and that the hijackers would just demand that
 the planes be diverted to a Muslim nation and used to get Arab criminals out of jail (like practically
 every other hijacking in history, most recently in 2000, in India.)

 The only time the passengers or crew fought back was the last flight, when some on board were in
 contact with their spouses and told about the WTC and Pentagon attacks...they knew that they were
 dead if they did nothing, so why not at least try?
 
 That reminds me, there are dozens, or maybe more, recorded conversations between doomed
 passengers and crewmembers recorded with 911 (traditional 911) calls, on answering machines,
 and many more etched into the memory of loved ones...one flight attendant on the first crashed
 plane called someone before they struck the WTC and described the hijackers, even giving their
 seat assignments...
              
 It's just hard to imagine that even the BFEE could get so many family members to lie to their parents,
 wives, husbands, children, etc. moments before their inevitable deaths, just to cover up for Moussad.
 Dying testimony is considered reliable court evidence, by the way.

 So if so many bereaved family members all say that their dying kin told their parents, spouses, etc.
 that Middle Eastern men hijacked their plane, sliced the throats of some women to show they mean
 business, and cowed the tough guys (REAL Texans, perhaps) on board with phony bombs, I believe it.

 It sounds like you have a beef with that web site, not me.
 I agree that it's cowardly to not have a "contact us" button on their site,
 but I don't speak for them and they don't speak for me.
 

 For years, you have been sending out challenges for a dittomonkey to debate you on a host of
 liberal/progressive issues...I am right there with you in every way, every step of the way, from
 women's rights to the phony bible thumpers destroying our Constitution. I think that I could fill in
 for you and wreck every one of their arguments...
          
 But now, I see that you are in great need of getting your ass kicked (with words, of course) by a
 real, good, old-fashioned, long-haired, racemixing country boy like me. The subject is Israel.
 I am sick and tired of reading your slanted, biased, and prejudiced shill against the nation of Israel
 (not Jews in general, just their nation.)

 Let me tell you what's funny - perception is funny.
 That survey we did last week?  We got 2300+ replies.
 
 Some replies said, "I like your site, except for the fact that you hate all Jews."
 Other replies said, "I like your site, but I can't believe you're in bed with the Zion Nazis."

 I'll say this again:  I don't have a dog in that fight. Both sides are crazy.
 Both sides live to kill the other - because both sides are consumed with religious insanity.
 If it wasn't for the fact that the Palestinians send their children into pizza parlors to murder themselves
 and as many innocent people as possible, I would be firmly 50/50 on the war, but I see Israel trying to
 keep innocent casualties to a minimum while Arafat's team wants as many innocents dead as possible.
 But since Israel would rather sacrifice their kids than move, I'm convinced they're both crazy.
 

 Like me, you are all for gun ownership...but not the NRA making our laws.
 You were against Nader handing the Presidency to Dumbass, too....so was I.
 
 And I remember a certain voice in the wilderness calling for a war against the Taliban as retribution for 9-11.
 All the liberal doves wrote in crying the blues, still carrying water for Nader...but you held your ground.
 You are not just liberal in the 'sense' that a liberal does 'what Nader says' or 'what they say in Europe'
 or 'what Rush says not to do'...a liberal does what is right.
 
 Our destruction of the Taliban was right. Whether they enacted 9-11 'because' Bush was going to build
 a pipeline is irrelevant. They still killed innocent Americans. If it was over the pipeline, they could have
 bombed Halliburton headquarters...they could have even held their resources and bid their time...and then
 bombed THE PIPELINE. Not that religious nuts always do the logical thing. Osama has said, on tape,
 that he considered every American and Jew to be a legitimate target of destruction, as ordained by his
 religion. He is on tape after 9-11 praising the hijackers as martyrs. The religious nuts in Egypt, Syria,
 Iran, and England - that's right, you heard right, (hommage to FZ) England, have all publicly praised
 the hijackers as heaven-bound, stainless, blameless, martyrs for their phony god and pedophile prophet.

 They did not bomb the embassies in 1998 because Bush wanted a pipeline, and they did not bomb the
 USS Cole because Bush wanted a pipeline...etc.  They bombed because they are religous nuts who's
 magic book says to rumble forth and take over the whole world.

 The blogsite goes on the bring up a the attack on the USS Liberty, never mentioning that the nation of Israel
 apologized, prosecuted those responsible, and made financial reparations to the survivors and bereaved.
                      
 Did anyone ever tell you that you were long-winded?
 

 On a related subject, I served in the Marines (when I was 17, like most liberal cowards). I joined in
 1983, after the Muslim (or was that the Moussad, too? I bet I could make a website citing 'evidence'
 that it was...would you provide a link?) barracks attack. I talked to a couple of Marines involved in
 the cleanup but never left the states myself. As for the notion that an additional 350 Marines were
 killed there, it doesn't seem likely. Most Marines are not orphans...they would have to be accounted
 for...maybe if there were some major battles going on elsewhere (Grenada doesn't count; too tiny)
 they could cover up another 350 dead Marines. But in this case it doesn't seem likely.
 
 I don't know a lot about the Marines or Marine family life, but it's possible the government sent out
 600 letters saying, "Tragically, your son was one of the 240 killed last week in Beirut."
 Before the Internet, that would've been damn easy, but a lot harder now.
 

 Last but not least, I guess that you never considered that the hatesite was built by Muslims, Klansmen,
 "Christians", or other avowed destroyers of Judiaca. It could have even been built by freepers or Bush
 operatives, just to divert attention.

 True, I had not considered that.
 I realize you haven't had a chance to respond since I stated that I only spent 60 seconds at that site.
 Some days I see over a hundred links. Don't think I endorse ever word of every link that gets posted.
 For me, that site represented the nagging questions that won't go away until we get some straight answers.
 

 Israel and the people of Israel have not benefited in any way from 9-11....

 I'm not sure that's true.
 For the first time, America found itself in Israeli shoes in that we've never had to live with terrorism.
 It underscores the nuttiness of the "Bush Doctrine" that we can fight back, but Israel shouldn't.
 

 ...Bush has benefitted. And so has Osama.  He got the notoriety and fame that he wanted. He got
 the war that he wanted, it just didn't spread to encompass the earth like he planned (not yet anyway,
 but it's still five weeks before the election, and Bush is worried about his numbers.)

 So now, at long last, I have had enough. I never thought that I would say this, but,
 BARTCOP, THY NAME IS WHORE

 1. You have failed to make that charge stick.
 2. Whores, by definition, get paid. You can say I'm wrong or crazy, but I'm no whore.
 

 That hurt me more than it hurt you.

 ha ha
 Can I get you a moist towelette or something?
 

 It's debate time. There are two topics...
 One: Israel's war against Islamic terror as started and perpetuated by Arab Muslims since 1949.
 Two: The arguments that 9-11 was carried out by Moussad.
 

 Could we debate a topic I know something about?
 

 We can do it in a chat room, or in correspondence like this. You pick the weapons, you pick the format,
 you pick the (pertinent) topic...then you can pick your whipped ass up off the ground. Let's go.
 It's time for you to taste some humble pie.

 ha ha
 If we debated Israel, which side would I take?
 You want me to speak for Arafat? That's not gonna work.
 And I doubt the Moussad carried out 9-11, unless Bush was involved.
 

 I am sick of your one-sided arguments and snide comments against Israel.

 Dude, if you want to argue that staying and dying is a smart move, I'll debate that with you.
 But I think the crowd will agree moving and living beats staying and dying.
 It would be a very short debate.
 

 I think that you should, in the interest of fairness, post a retraction on your site, on the main page, condemning
 the anti-Israeli bullshit on the website to which you posted a link. We can go over it point-by-point if you like.
 Like I said, even at first glance, I can see that it is at least 80% conjecture, non-sequiturs, and lies.

 How about I repeat that I haven't even read that website?
 If it's full of anti-Israeli horse hockey, they should be ashamed of themselves.
 I don't have enough time to read my own mail, much less some other website.
 

 So it is with heavy heart that I send you this letter. Please let me know something.
 I would just as soon settle this with private letters like this one.

 I still admire you, but cannot sit idly by while you go on and on about Israeli conspiracies...the wingers
 will turn their backs on the people of Israel as soon as it is financially beneficial, and we could be looking
 at four million Danny Pearls. I don't want to be part of that, and I don't think that you do, either.

 Your friend,
 Keith in Tampa
                      
 
 Keith, the killing will continue as long as the religious insanity continues.
 When I suggest a perfectly reasonable and logical way to stop the killing,
 like using the billions we send Israel to move them instead of selling them weapons,
 people like you start shouting "Why do you hate Israel so much?"

 If people would use their brains and apply some logic to their invisible ghost superstitions,
 the Empire State Building would still be the third-tallest building in New York.

 But if we all used our heads, the church elders would have to get jobs and we can't have that.
 There's too much money to be made separating the gullible and the scared from their cash.
 This will continue, like the killing, until people embrace logic over fairy tales.

 Your friend,
 Bart