ha ha, a new car for Julie!!!
bartcop:
She's HERE, so be nice & calm
MarionDelgado:
hi julie
Bush_Fatigue:
lol
hholli1:
HA HA ha!!! Who's gonna break out the Maneshevitz?
bartcop:
Everybody say Hi
jhs33:
Am I FINALLY in the right place?
killjoie:
Hi Julie, Welcome in!
dahh:
hi julie
Bush_Fatigue:
Hi, Ms. Steele
Atrios:
Welcome Julie -- you made it.
Buttercup707:
hello julie
quirk:
hi julie
KerryW:
julie, julie, julie do you love me?
abgdinstr:
hey julie
marthaguag:
Hi Julie
jasto:
hi ms. steele
bartcop:
Julie, Yes, and everybody says Hi!
No-Dak:
Hello Julie
jhs33:
hi
Superboy2001:
hi julie
Bodine:
Hi, Ms. Steele
hholli1:
Welcome Julie...you are in the right place.
Shotgunn:
Hi'ya =)
Grannyc:
We Really are glad you are here, Julie
Melic:
yayy. success!!!
KerryW:
Goober says 'hey'
RealityCheck:
welcome to the playroom
JTIceFire:
Hello, Ms. Steele.
MarionDelgado:
julie, i corresponded with you back when you were Lewishiatt@aol.com
abgdinstr:
that'll learn ya BC
MarionDelgado:
very good responses, so i saved em
bartcop:
Julie, I thought your opening shot at the President was perfect, about
the "being able to focus" thing
jhs33:
I thank you for having me, for patience with me and a new computer!
Thanks to Bartcop!!
Bush_Fatigue:
mega OIC slaying dittoes on that, BC
Atrios:
Thank you Julie for standing up to the thugs.
bartcop:
Julie, it make take a little time to get used to the lingo and the
shorthand, but you can do it
You guys remember she's been offline for a while
jhs33:
Who thought we would make special note of FOCUS re a President...of
the country, not a fourth grade class?
Bush_Fatigue:
May we ask questions?
jhs33:
yes
hholli1:
OIC = Oh, I see.
bartcop:
OIC is Ken Starr
quirk:
julie you are welcome here any time you want to be. anything you don't
getm just ask
Bush_Fatigue:
Peggy Nooner actually gushed that Bush read a teleprompter in a way
someone who doesn't need one would read one
Atrios:
Juie - yes, well, we must be nice to the mentally challenged little
boy
hholli1:
I find it amazing each and every time that moron says he was "democratically
elected"
bartcop:
Julie, is there anything you can tell us about Ken Starr that we don't
know?
MarionDelgado:
h h, i bet OIC are not julie's favorite initials, overall
RealityCheck:
glory of low expectations
Bush_Fatigue:
Julie, you had more support all along all over the country than the
media ever let on
Buttercup707(Cynthia):
well holli, 5 is greater than 4, hence democratically elected.
quirk:
ggggggggigggggggle
JTIceFire:
You know, I think it's about time they let Pope Bush wear his funny
hat.
jhs33:
The more he says he was "elected" the more you can see he knows he
was appointed
KerryW:
like saying he has 'steely resolve'
Bush_Fatigue:
The more Ari avoids "he" and makes sure he says "The President"
dahh:
"this would be much easier if i was dictator heheh"
KerryW:
or 'I am a devout Xtian'
christianal:
I thought it was hysterical when he said, after the attack, "I'm a
loving guy."
jhs33:
good to make it, yes to answer the Starr question
RealityCheck:
and we will get those folks
Grannyc:
THE pResident -- is how Ari and Karen say it
christianal:
So we're supposed to say, "Oh, okay" and forget the 146 people he executed
in Texas.
GlennMac:
Hmm..anybody want to go build a time machine and remove Gobbels from
history? Get rid of the whole "big lie idea"?
Pipeguy:
"Make No Mistake About It"........
Buttercup707(Cynthia):
yes julie, please tell us about kenneth starr- something we wouldn't
know by watching cnn.
Superboy2001:
thanks to women like julie and susan
Bush_Fatigue:
Yes, I'd like to know unknown secrets about Kenny....i think
bartcop:
Julie, you may not know this, but around here, when someone does good,
we toast a shot
of Chinaco Tequila to them - you not only did good, you
did GREAT, so I hereby toast a shot
of Chinaco tequila to the lady who was brave enough to
tell Starr to go to hell
bartcop:
Toast to Julie!!!
Atrios:
Ken Starr was man devoted to the Truth - (C) 1996, 1997, 1997 , 1999,
2000 CNN
dahh:
hear hear raise a glass
jhs33:
My case in its entirety. You would not know because no defense was
presented
Grannyc:
Here! Here!
abgdinstr:
to julie
Bush_Fatigue:
toast
Melic:
I'll second that toast <even if it is tequila>
jasto:
to julie!
JTIceFire:
Hear, hear.
christianal:
Cheers!
marthaguag:
To Julie (clink)
killjoie(Elissa):
Here Here... <toast>
mooseandsquirrel:
here, here...cheers BIG TIME
No-Dak:
Toast!
xJlM:
Hear here! A toast!
quo:
hear hear - to julie!!
Superboy2001:
toast to julie and susan mcdougal
Atrios:
cheers!
Buttercup707(Cynthia):
holli, to Bush they are THE PEOPLE, however. his own personal selectorate.
KerryW:
I'll drink to that!
MarionDelgado:
by the way, julie, as a print reporter type, i want to formally apologize
for mike isikoff. seriously.
Bush_Fatigue:
Julie, do you think you might be writing about Kathleen Willey in your
Bartcop contributions?
MarionDelgado:
he harmed our profession, in my opinion. future sources with any brains
will look at his work and say, hmmm.
Bush_Fatigue:
I'd like to know more about her, besides that she faked pregnancies
and had to be double-immunized for it
bartcop:
ha ha, Julie, got anything to say about Michael Isiakoff?
jhs33:
Willey was granted UNPRECEDENTED immunity BEFORE they spoke with her
and again after her lies caught up with her. The Govt supported lies because
it served their need.
Buttercup707(Cynthia):
Julie, what is your take on Ashcroft and his power-grab?
genslab:
sorry to all who just lost their input windows
Atrios:
Marion - have you gotten "One Scandalous Story" yet? it really takes
Spikey to task
jhs33:
Thank you , could I have vodka
Atrios:
Julie - yes when they immunized her twice someone should have..uhh..
figured it out
MarionDelgado:
atrios, i will look it up
Bush_Fatigue:
Kath Willey the liar was on Faux recently condemning Gary Condit's
"lies right out of the Clinton playbook"
jhs33:
Ashcroft had it before Bush was appointed and that is why he was so
gracious to the widow
Atrios:
MD - just published by Marvin Kalb. I can't get through more than 5
pages at time without wanting
to jump in my car, drive to DC, and piss on his lawn. it just came
out
Buttercup707(Cynthia):
interesting, julie. i wondered about that.
mooseandsquirrel:
jhs33, I am from Missouri and I know the REAL Ashcroft
Atrios:
(his lawn being Spikey's lawn)
jhs33:
KW is looking for any news hook that will make her special
mooseandsquirrel:
he hates the Carnahans
Bush_Fatigue:
lol
Atrios:
Julie - Yes, it should have been obvious at the time.
Bush_Fatigue:
KW is pathetic
Melic:
Buttercup, the names aren't in alphabetical order ...
KerryW:
could you call her something else, please?
Bush_Fatigue:
It wasn't obvious because 60 Minutes and others treated her like a
respectable suburban housewife
instead of the nutcase she is
Melic:
sure, Kerry, what?
jhs33:
Spikey had $600,000 riding on events going his way. NEWSWEEK is to
blame for not overseeing his work
KerryW:
anything but KW
Atrios:
Julie - very true, although Spikey lied to them quite a bit when he
was pushing the story
bartcop:
Julie, who is Spikey?
Bush_Fatigue:
Spikey Mikey Isikoff
Atrios:
Jhs - haha, I didn't know that. that's hilarious (Re: Willey pix)
Bush_Fatigue:
She's such an unbelievable liar
jhs33:
Word is that Spikey's wife is running around with Wall St. Journal
reporter
Bush_Fatigue:
John Fund?
bartcop:
Why hasn't Willey appeared in penthouse like Paula Jones and Gennifer
Flowers?
KerryW:
Fund?
Melic:
not John Fund we hope ... he's in too much trouble already ...
Atrios:
haha. spikey is clearly the kinda guy who never gets the girl in the
end
Buttercup707(Cynthia):
forgive my naivete, but what is willey's problem? was she motivated
by fame and fortune or what?
or some kind of personal vendetta?
Bush_Fatigue:
Are there any hints as to which WSJ reporter
jhs33:
believing willey was not necessary for Govt...Have you looked at her?
bartcop:
ha ha
Bush_Fatigue:
Willey's problem was not getting a second shot at Big Dog
Bush_Fatigue:
She looked awful on her recent appearance on Faux (*meow*)
jhs33:
Nancy knows, I will ask. $$$$$$$was motivation.
bartcop:
(Nancy is jhs atty?)
jhs33:
Nancy Luque, Esq.
MarionDelgado:
i almost think isikoff's actions were as unprecedented as the immunity.
normally, a source like you, julie, who changes her story, is simply
an "unreliable source," period.
you don't go looking to make a literal, federal case out of it.
Buttercup707(Cynthia):
hmm, selling sex for money. that makes her a prostitute, doesn't it?
KerryW:
or a Republican
Buttercup707(Cynthia):
haha
jhs33:
No but makes her desperate and frightening
Buttercup707(Cynthia):
Repugs give money for sex. Dems give sex for money.
Melic:
oh Marion, I hate to see you so bereft of your idealism ...
jhs33:
problem is that I did not change my story
MarionDelgado:
jhs not even from at first?
i don't mean later
i mean, what made isikoff so mad
KerryW:
we have been misinformed then. I'm shocked, shocked I say.
Bush_Fatigue:
when Kath asked her to back up Kath's lies?
Atrios:
marion - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684859394/qid=1001904530/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_3_1/102-2527574-6197723
MarionDelgado:
melic different worlds - i did daily news stories, i did statewide
and local stories. i never got within ten miles of a big national magazine
story
MarionDelgado:
bush, exactly
jhs33:
I said that she did not come to my house, did not ever tell me anything
about this allegation, and I did not think it happened
Bush_Fatigue:
Spikey had an agenda
MarionDelgado:
jhs right, and you stuck by that.
jhs33:
Spikey was fired from Post due to over zealous on Jones
MarionDelgado:
julie, my point being, earlier than that, didn't you indicate to isikoff
you could back up kathleen?
KerryW:
It was just a half-vast right wing conspiracy
Atrios:
spikey was obsessed with the presidential member, as were the rest
of them. He had a real story,
corruption in the OIC, but that would have (laugh) "compromised his
sources"
MarionDelgado:
and at that point, when you told him you couldnt, he should have dismissed
you, except for maybe
looking in to see if you had a connnection to something. and there
was no evidence you did,
so he should have forgotten about you.
MarionDelgado:
it would be great if isikoff ended up at the washington times with
gerth
KerryW:
or at Wally's filling station with Goober
jhs33:
she sent him to my house, he told me what she had said, and I tried
to act as tho
I knew as Willey asked . I thought it was something personal between
Willey and Issikoff.
Atrios:
I think clinton should bang his wife
Bush_Fatigue:
Spikey is loathsome
MarionDelgado:
julie gotcha.
Bush_Fatigue:
He'd have to stand in line behind a WSJ reporter
jhs33:
They came after me, and I became a target on the day that I called
and told him Willey lied
and that I had never honestly heard any such thing
Bush_Fatigue:
Wasn't this after Willey herself had first denied it through her lawyer?
MarionDelgado:
the normal process would have been, when you later said you couldnt
in fact back her up,
to both tell his editor you couldnt back her up, and to also look into
whether you were involved
in something in the story. he didn't, apparently, tell his editors
wh
bartcop:
Julie, would it be fair to say the last few years would've been easier
on you if you had just done what Kenny asked?
Buttercup707(Cynthia):
I have to go, thank you julie for coming here, and i hope i get to
talk to you again. looking forward to your columns.
MarionDelgado:
isiskoff also acted like an arm of the OIC
bartcop:
Julie, can you put into words what fighting back has cost you?
Northernair:
Julie, looing forward to your column, cathy
Bush_Fatigue:
And Isikoff got rich by being a good boy
jhs33:
I was well known in the community and respected, also a repuub. If
it had been true
i would not have cared who knew. They saw me as a credible problem
and one to be dealt with
Bush_Fatigue:
You're more respected than ever. Is there any legal action still pending?
bartcop:
Julie, so if you held less weight in the community, they could've dismissed
you and you could've gotten out easier?
jhs33:
It would not really be fair to say that I would have come out ahead
because it would have cost me my integrity.
It is sometimes hard to accept but is honestly what counts most. I
could not have carried off lies and would have
lost much more y
MarionDelgado:
after about 200 characters it cuts off, julie
bartcop:
Y'know, if you were just nobody and showed up and said that, it might
be some BS,
but everyone in thsi chat room knows you - they know you stood up for
something at your own peril.
jhs33:
It cost almost everything but my integrity
Atrios:
BC - exactly. We all know Julie had everything to gain (except her
conscience) by destroying democracy,
and nothing to gain by failing to do so. I don't think I would have
had the strength, frankly.
Bush_Fatigue:
It's admirable..everyone wonders at what point they would have said
to hell with it but you didn't
jhs33:
I could not have survived it any other way than truth and I doubt that
you would.
bartcop:
Julie - question - if you had backed up Willey's story, would Bill
Clinton have lost that impeachment vote?
jhs33:
Impeachment was meant to tarnish, they knew it was a loser
bartcop:
(ha ha this is so cool for me personally, because I got to ask Susan
McDougal the same question)
Atrios:
julie - well, as you know, not all the people have such spine.
bartcop:
Truth is, you and Susan SAVED our last elected president, right?
Atrios:
some will lie for a dollar, regardless of the consequences.
jhs33:
My indictment and intended conviction were meant to raise credibility
of the real star witness, willey
Bush_Fatigue:
The list of liars who cracked is long..Willey, Broddrick..
bartcop:
That was very diplomatic,
KerryW:
exactly, they used you to back her up without you having to say a word.
jhs33:
They planned to use Clinton Grand Jury test. and allege perjury in
Fed venue to indict Pres,
I had to be out of their way for it to work
Bush_Fatigue:
Remember how the media treated the stories of Kathleen's faked pregnacies
as too tasteless to report,
but not the stories of Monica's dress?
jhs33:
Good one!
Atrios:
it was Clinton Rules. anything negative was okay to report, regardless
of the source. Those rules are still in play.
bartcop:
If you won't say it, I will - if you had caved in, Clinton would've
lost impeachment.
If you had caved in, Willey would've been credible and Clinton would've
been gone 3 years ago
Bush_Fatigue:
I'll say it: Julie saved democracy, until Bush stole it
Atrios:
bc - of course he would have.
MarionDelgado:
bart, or maybe failed closer
i do think impeachment was a loser
jhs33:
Grand Jury was fed venue, Clinton indictment was already written.
MarionDelgado:
now, had both jhs and susan mcdougal caved, that might have done it
KerryW:
what would he have been convicted of?
jhs33:
Civil case, not material
Bush_Fatigue:
Linda Tripp also had a small role in saving Clinton. I wonder how she
feels about thta
jhs33:
they needed FEDERAL venue, materiality, and to present a "credible"
case.
Jones DID NOT HAPPEN, no Broadderick either..
MarionDelgado:
it's good to reinforce that not all lawyers are oic types nor all journalists
like isikoff, schwartz, et al.
Atrios:
clinton admitted to flowers, denied Jones. i believe him.
bartcop:
Julie, what's your opinion on Broadderick?
Melic:
<cough>
KerryW:
admitted to groping flowers
jhs33:
There are great Journalists. One bad apple etc,
and I still hold Newsweek accountable, it was their job to keep him
under control
MarionDelgado:
jhs definitely
Atrios:
julie - of course.
jhs33:
Starr had no higher authority, Spikey did
bartcop:
Julie, is there any press we can trust?
jhs33:
besides bartcop?
bartcop:
ha ha, a new car for Julie!!!
MarionDelgado:
in that vein, also, have you (jhs) talked much with Gene Lyons or Joe
Conason this year?
Melic:
I'll nominate Joe Conason ...
Atrios:
heh. even 'ole bart is occasionally unreliable
mooseandsquirrel:
a second that Melic
MarionDelgado:
don't give her the one with the remains of poor Nugent moldering in
the back seat, bart.
Bush_Fatigue:
Isn't that Rich's vette?
Atrios:
Susan Schmidt is the pinnacle of journalistic ethics.
jhs33:
Actually I have never spoken with Joe but do often speak with Gene
Bush_Fatigue:
hahaha Atrios
Melic:
ewwww Atrios ...
bartcop:
Julie, Gene is my good friend. Do you have his e-mail address?
Bush_Fatigue:
Bartcop's good friend
jhs33:
Sue S. is just one of the Starr groupies. Every maj. news org, had
one
MarionDelgado:
jhs thanks. i think gene wrote, if there was one thing i would follow
up our book with, it would
probably be julie hyatt steele's story. it was very strange and [something
to the effect of,
people don't know how much ken starr did to her]
bartcop:
ha ha
jhs33:
I have email, home no..,etc
Bush_Fatigue:
They would sleep outside his house all night just to catch a glimpse
of him taking out the trash
MarionDelgado:
in my experience, both joe and gene have emailed back if i asked a
good question, by the way.
Atrios:
Most journalists who aren't big TV celebrities will email if you're
reasonable
KerryW:
don't forget Bob Somerby
jhs33:
the real isue is that if the fullweight of the govt can be sent crashing
down on me, no ordinary citizen is safe.
We need to stay focused and not rely on any single news source
Atrios:
Julie - i think most of us here are aware of that. I just wish more
people were. Too many people lack empathy, for some reason
Melic:
Kerry, the one saving grace of the 50kwatt am guy here is that Bob
Somerby is his friend and often shows up on his radio show
KerryW:
I am focused like a laser beam, on a dozen different subjects.
bartcop:
Would you guys buy Julie's book?
Atrios:
I'd buy, I'd help proofread it, I'd shop it to publishers, etc..
(not that I have any influence, mind you)
Melic:
I buy all books, all the time, every language ever written ... isn't
that a Quest commercial
bartcop:
I wonder if we had trouble with sign-ins tonight
MarionDelgado:
if she did a book with gene, it might be a better book. but it might
not make any money at all,
and she, i assume, needs money after all that.
jhs33:
From my perspective it has never been about $, not even now. It is
about an out of control Govt .
It is about all of us, It is really about what happened back there.
Bush_Fatigue:
These stories should be told for posterity
bartcop:
Julie, do you have any dynamite to put in your book?
Atrios:
Julie - history needs your book. If Gene is willing, you should enlist
his help.
jhs33:
Clinton was not expected to be impeached in Senate trial. He was expected
to be indicted
after I was convicted. I was the last person standing between Clinton
and indictment.
Failure to convict me sent Starr home and allowed Clinton to stay
bartcop:
ha ha, that's a story!!!
Atrios:
Julie - oh, excellent point - you're right, it wasn't about impeachment,
it was about indictment.
In fact, impeachment was an acknowledgement that there was nothing
to indict him for.
jhs33:
Clinton is the last ELECTED Pres. and I believe will emerge as one
of strongest despite VAST rw conspiracy
Bush_Fatigue:
I'll bet they thought they at least silenced you. Wait till they see
your Bartcop column and possible book
jhs33:
Yes, I have dynamite. Want to be certain Adam and I are safe because
some is that big
bartcop:
When Julie starts writing, I'll bet she'll be writing more than one
column a week.
jhs33:
One last thing before I attempt to break my 3 hours of sleep pattern
which I DO NOT RECCOMMEND
bartcop:
ha ha
jhs33:
My trial was not about truth, it was partisan politics replacing the
system of justice in our country.
It did not occur in a vacuum. It is not a giant leap from Federal
Court to Supreme Court
MarionDelgado:
hear, hear, julie. it feels like a lot of south american countries
just before they lost their democratically elected governments.
Atrios:
julie - you're preaching to the choir here, but it is important to
restate over and over and over until everyone gets it
and that is why you need a book.
bartcop:
How about a round of applause for the lady who said "NO," to Kenneth
Starr?
bartcop:
clap, clap
Atrios:
[clap]
Bush_Fatigue:
<applause>
Bush_Fatigue:
Award her the Big Hammer
bartcop:
another shot of Chinaco...
jhs33:
Thank you so much, for this and everything, Can we do it again soon?
Me
mooseandsquirrel:
bravo, jhs
Melic:
<<<<<<<applause>>>>>>
Atrios:
Julie - we're here most nights,so stop by anytime, please!
bartcop:
Julie, this chat room is busy almsot every night from 9-midnight CST
Nobody is more welcome than you
jhs33:
And to all a goodnight... Cool, I have already admitted I don't sleep,
I will be there!
mooseandsquirrel:
ah...that will be so cool if you do
and a big hand to bc for bringing jhs into the treehouse chat room
Melic:
<big hand>
bartcop:
Hey a shot if Chinaco for me
Bush_Fatigue:
<applause>
mooseandsquirrel:
two shots
Atrios:
I think she's gone. so cool tho
bartcop:
I thought she showed class.
She never once used the term "hardon kenny"
mooseandsquirrel:
loads of it
MarionDelgado:
definitely classy
Atrios:
Too much class, i wanna know what she knows
bartcop:
she has dynamite
Hey, can I say one thing?
Julie wanted to do the chat thing
I think she'll be popping in more often than you'd think
Atrios:
cool, i hope she does.
chines:
I can't wait.
onehandle:
Somebody did copy the chat, right?