From:   mrdavoman@webtv.net (W. D.)

Subject: Old And In The Way

Lyrics: David Grisman

"Old and in the way, that's what I heard them say
 They used to heed the words he said, but that was yesterday
 Gold will turn to gray and youth will fade away
 They'll never care about you, when you're old and in the way"
 

BC,

Is that the perfect GOP theme song, or what?

I have about 40-1100 (forty-leven-hunnert) points to present.

First of all, I have seen the Palm Beach voting set-up.  You do NOT see
your ballot while voting.  You slide it into a slot behind the loose
leaf binder with the candidates names listed.  If you can remember the
old cafe booth jukebox menus where you flipped from page to page to
select your tunes, that is a fair analogy.  And yes, in this country we
read the left hand page first.  Gore-Lieberman were second on the left
hand page. (which resulted in Jews voting for Nazis)  And I said 'were'
for a purpose, there were people who were told as they disembarked their
shuttles from retirement homes that if they didn't vote for President
and Vice-President, their votes would not count. (which resulted in
double voting)  Yes, I know, "Old and in the Way"

Secondly, Miami-Dade's recount was halted by republican hired-thugs
rioting, not time restraints. (even though the time allotted for recount
was less than adequate.)

Thirdly, 4,500 illegal republican absentee ballots were "made legal" by
poll workers in Seminole County filling in the blanks.

Fourthly,  3,000 un-postmarked Military ballots were mysteriously found
almost a week after election day which approximately 2,300 were flown to
Florida by Military jets overnite to meet the deadline.

How in the Hell can anyone say that Gore should concede,
and that Bush has won fair and square?

Wally

From:  mommydog@zdnetonebox.com

Subject:   Reply to wingnut a**hole
 

BC,
I am sending along a reply to one of your recent ditto monkey posts.

As a veteran, I am damn sick and tired of the Repugs using the military
to shield Bush (just call me AWOL) and Cheney (I had other priorities
back then).  My old dad, who is one of the men that landed on Omaha Beach
on D Day, feels the same way and is just itching to get a piece of Bob Dole.
My reply is first, the asshole's letter follows.

Listen up, dickhead.  This is one of those military voters speaking to
you.  We joined the military to serve our country, not a political party
or ideology.  We swore to uphold and defend The Constitution, which guarantees
equality under the law to all Americans.  There is no article or amendment
to The Constitution that says military votes should be considered or
treated any differently that those of ordinary citizens.

Any soldier, past or present, that is willing to publicly align themselves with a party that is
dead set against counting all votes, HAS MISSED THE ENTIRE POINT OF WHY WE SERVED!
The Repugs and their minions have managed to trash over two hundred years of military tradition
and history with this shameful public relations ploy.  The military must remain non partisan in political fighting.
How would you like an army of us left wing, commie bastards running the country?

That said, I guess I can register my opinion on the Bushbrat since I have paid my dues.
So, read my lips, I will not support a thieving, AWOL, clueless idiot as Commander in Chief.
...right from the army's mouth.

Furthermore, I did not serve for major league assholes like yourself to believe every piece of right wing
propaganda that hits the airwaves. Finally, I have to remark on the right wing fascination with blow jobs.
I think that you are all suffering from the dreaded TSB..terminal sperm build up.  A good blow job just
might fix what ails you....of course, none of your women have a clue as to how to give one and no
woman in her right mind would do a wing nut.

See if Newt will lend you his credit card and the name of a good DC ho....happy hunting.

Marcy Roberts
 

(The offending letter)

Subject: spineless peter puffers

You all are absolutely the biggest group of fucking morons I have found on the web!
You think Al Gore deserves to be president after it has been proven that he
committed voter fraud? (this refers to the democrat poll manager that was caught
with a voting machine in his car the day of the election) He keeps talking about wanting
all of the votes to count but he is trying to block the military votes from being counted.
The military are the voters that have put their life on the line so that uneducated dumb asses
like the yourselves can run your mouth and smack talk people like George Bush.

If it were not for people like Bush, his dad, you would not have the right to be the
left winged border line commie faggots that you are!  If you spineless peter puffers
actually had to work for a living, instead of wanting Al Gore to support you,
you would understand.  But then of course, it would take someone with a higher level
of intelligence that you have shown to know what I am referring to...

P Todd

From:   aexia@yahoo.com

Subject:   Traitors

Someone on a mailing list I'm on remarked that the calls from Democrats for Gore
to concede are kind of similar to Chamberlain deciding he could "work with" Hitler.

I disagree.

I'm thinking long-term. If Bush is going to President, which is becoming
increasingly likely regardless of what Gore does or does not do, I want him to
be seen as illegitimate as President as possible. He lost the popular vote. He
only won the electoral vote because his cronies stole Florida(though assorted
means, including fraud and using the police to harass african-americans). So,
if Bush is cut off at the knees, the Democrats will make big gains in 2002.

At this point, a Gore presidency would be crippled. The GOP has clearly won the
PR war, sadly due to Gore's people not responding hard and fast enough(which,
incidently cost them a decisive victory during the campaign, IMHO). Gore would
be seen as illegitimate thanks to the spinning of the media. Instead, we'll lose seats in
2002 and Gore will be out in 2004. And if you think things would be bad with Bush now,
try to imagine a GOP White House with solid control of the House and Senate.

I think Gore needs to think long and hard about whether he can pull this out.
If he can't win it, then he needs to somehow portray himself as the "Democratically
elected President of the USA in exile" so that Bush is not seen as a real President.

Make a speech, pull out "for the good of the country" despite the "clear evidence
of wrongdoing on the part of the Bush campaign" and though he'd like to fight on,
it's obvious that Bush "has closed off every possible avenue for allowing the person
who received the most votes from the people of the United States, in both Florida
and the nation at large, from taking office as President of our great nation."

Refuse to recognize Bush's victory. Say something that'll be reprinted in
history books years from now, words that'll people will look back and point to
as the thing that really crippled the short-lived Bush presidency at its infancy.

If Gore doesn't honestly think he can win, he's doing no one, much less
himself, any good dragging it out. He's already lost the media war and
continuing on only plays into their hands.

So Bush is President. What now?

In the short-term, Bush will have to drive left to get anything done and piss off his base enough
that they'll stay home(which is what Clinton did in a fashion in 1993-4).  That bodes well for 2002.

The GOP barely had control of the House in 1998-9, it's not going to do any
better this time around. The GOP's screwed in the Senate, and I have this
feeling that McCain will f*ck Bush over at every opportunity, not just for
revenge for what Bush did to him in SC, but to set himself up for a run in 2004.

The media will turn on Bush. The media wanted him elected so they'd have
scandal after scandal to cover the next 4 years.

Sometime in the next four years, the Democrats need to find a young charasmatic
Democratic governor in the South to be their nominee in 2004.

This isn't Chamberlain coming back and saying "Gee, Hitler ain't *that* bad."
It's Chamberlain coming back and saying "If we fight now, we lose. But in two
years, we'll be bombing Berlin back to the f*cking stone age, by God."

I'm sure this puts me into your "traitor" category but if seeing progressive
policies eventually getting passed means having Gore fall on his sword for the
sake of his party and America, so be it. If Gore wants to fight for us, he
should go out barrels blazing in both hands and make the ultimate sacrifice.
That's the mark of a true leader.

Micheál Keane

 From: Captn_Television@yahoo.com

 Subject:  KOOK'S TOUR

Just a short note to start for those of you "privileged" to have cable TV.
Must-see TV is Barney Miller, one of the best written TV shows from the 70's and 80's,
returns to prime time on the TV Land's Tuesday night line up at 8 p.m.
Check your local listings.

If you are more privileged to have HBO, then you might have endured the new
Larry David show called "Curb Your Enthusiasm." I know I have after watching a few of these shows.
Larry as you may recall, was the producer for many of the "Seinfeld" episodes.
Jerry Seinfeld was "Seinfeld," sadly, Larry David is not.

Larry as an ex-New Yorker, living in LA, tries to deal with a lot other
apparently ex-New Yorkers living in LA. Such a riot. "Curb" as you will
quickly find out is not scripted. Rather, the avant-garde technique of
"improvisation from story lines"  is used. You have to be really good to
carry this off, and in this case, psycho reviewer boy wonders what some
rewriting and polish might have done for the show.

What is the show about? Lots of people yelling and arguing with each other
and trying to stick each other with paying the bill? Richard Lewis was on one
show, that caused Larry's neurosis to flare up and attack Richard's neurosis.
Well, you know how big Richard's neurosis is? Homeless people can sleep under it.

Sure there are little quirks and stunts from Seinfeld. It's like being a tourist at a reptile zoo,
you spot one, point it out, wait, wait, spot another one. Larry's sour personality just doesn't
carry the show. Just  because you have set pieces from the stage of Seinfeld on your show,
doesn't  make it funny.

Kramer loses Karmer

If Jerome Lester Horwitz were still alive, old Curly would have sued Michael Richard's ass
for theft of material and conduct unbecoming of a comic. In the new "Michael Richards Show,"
Richard's comes off as the fourth stooge, lost and not funny.

Richard's character, Vic Nardozza, quickly became Vic, I need Nodozza to help
me keep watching this show. For months the show was rumored to have problems.
Buzzards now circle over the stage on the NBC lot.

Richard's tries to fall down, quiver, shake, tremble and thrash wildly about
in darn near every scene. There is no real development of the story line, the
writers wander, Richard's quivers, shakes and trembles. If you like
quivering, shaking, and trembling, bon mot, NOT, this is the show for you.
I got out my big can of show cancellation spray, and tagged this thing, Canceled!

In watching both shows, I was struck by how often I wondered, "What are these
shows about?" I couldn't figure it out, so I consulted my medicine woman, Two
Ripe Melons, and she suggested a sweat and a Vision Quest. After she and I
sweated around for a while, I ingested the magic peyote and attempted my
Vision Quest. I took the full Quest and finally in a moment of epiphanic
revelation, I understood what the shows were about.......

They are about Nothing!

Captn_Television

From:  ceol@loa.com

Subject:  Justice Scalia's son a lawyer in firm representing Bush before top court
 By Jill Zuckman Washington Bureau November 29, 2000

WASHINGTON -- When lawyers for Vice President Al Gore and Texas Gov. George
W. Bush appear before the U.S. Supreme Court Friday, Justice Antonin Scalia
could surprise legal observers by stepping aside.

The post-election clashes between the presidential candidates have been
punctuated with such unexpected twists.

The American Bar Association guidelines for judicial conduct cite family
relationships as a potential cause for a judge's recusal. Gibson, Dunn &
Crutcher, the firm representing Bush, counts Justice Scalia's son as one of
its members. Eugene Scalia, 37, practices labor law, administrative law,
and general and appellate litigation.

"I'm doing absolutely nothing on this case," the younger Scalia said
Tuesday. And despite the election's contentiousness, sources close to Gore
said his attorneys and other representatives have no intention of making an
issue over Eugene Scalia—nor would they encourage others to do so.

Peter Eisner, managing director for the Center For Public Integrity, said
the Scalia father-son relationship appears to fall within the ABA
guidelines—which are mirrored by guidelines the Supreme Court sets for
itself—calling for judges to disqualify themselves in proceedings in which
their impartiality might reasonably be questioned.

That includes when a person related to the judge "is a party to the
proceeding, or an officer, director or trustee of a party" or "is known by
the judge to have an interest that could be substantially affected by the
outcome of the proceeding," according to the ABA Code of Judicial Conduct.

From:  EldridgeBeaver@webtv.net

Subject:  From Wednesday's Miami Herald...what really happened....
                by Carl Hiaasen
 
Rioting by GOP tourists

Last week I got a call from a friend in New York who said, ``Turn on the
television. I´m sitting here watching your people try to steal the election.´´

He was talking about the goonfest at the Miami-Dade Elections Department,
where rowdy protesters were banging on windows and doors during the presidential recount.
Like many angry viewers around the country, my friend had assumed that
he was again witnessing Miami maniacs gone amok. He was wrong.
What he saw was a demonstration imported and paid for by the Republican Party and the
Bush-Cheney campaign. It's a page right out of the old Richard Nixon playbook, the type
of stunt favored by G. Gordon Liddy and the other dirty tricksters.
The difference is, Liddy was smarter about covering his tracks.

Among the screamers who showed up in Miami last week to get their
beet-faced mugs on TV were Thomas Pyle, an aide to the House Republican
Majority Whip Tom DeLay; Michael Murphy, who works on a DeLay
fund-raising committee; Elizabeth Ross, who is employed by Senate
Majority Leader Trent Lott; and Doug Heye, who works for Rep. Richard Pombo, R-Calif.

These and scores of other zealous young Republicans working on Capitol
Hill were given time off, free plane tickets and meal money to come to
Florida and raise a little hell at Thanksgiving. According to The Wall
Street Journal, they even got invitations to a holiday party in Fort
Lauderdale, where they were serenaded by Wayne Newton.

Admittedly, we here in the Sunshine State have never been picky about
our tourists; basically, we'll take anyone with a pulse and a credit
card. But, as a point of fairness, we shouldn't be blamed for their bad
behavior. The storming of the Miami-Dade elections office wasn't a
spontaneous uprising of lawless locals; it was a show staged by visiting
yupsters who owe their government jobs to the GOP.

At least Jesse Jackson didn't fly his rallies in from Chicago; most of
the folks who showed were actual Floridians.

But having been walloped at the polls in Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm
Beach counties, the Bush campaign obviously was worried about a sparse
showing in the streets. So they sent reinforcements from Washington,
D.C., and elsewhere, and rotated them through all three counties.

According to The Journal, one of the chief organizers was Rep. John
Sweeney, R-N.Y. When the demonstration in Miami got ugly, Sweeney was
said to have told an aide to ``shut it down.´´

By then things had gone too far. It made for some lively television
footage, but it didn't exactly win the hearts and minds of America.

A DUMB INCIDENT

Many people were outraged by the melee, which appeared to frighten the
Miami-Dade canvassing board into aborting its manual vote recount.
Never mind that the board had been bumbling around for two weeks and
stood little chance of meeting the state Supreme Court's deadline. The
Bush camp was determined to manufacture a scene, and it got one.
The confrontation was not only superfluous; it was potentially damaging
to the party's own interests. This dumb incident has handed the
Democrats new ammunition for their legal challenges and pro-recount campaign.

Judges who view the videotapes of the raucous mini-stampede might well
conclude that Miami-Dade elections officials were intimidated into a retreat.

One remedy would be reopening the recount, an inevitably chaotic
scenario that not only would prolong the presidential contest but
possibly change the outcome. These boneheads have risked undoing the
election for their candidate.

How ironic if Florida's vote certification gets tossed out and the election results
ultimately are recalculated to Gore's benefit -- all because of what happened in Miami,
where there shouldn't have been a recount to begin with.

By dispatching their aides here to stir things up, these boneheads have
risked undoing the election for their candidate, who basically had it
won. At the very least, they've given Gore's attorneys a gift-wrapped
claw hammer for the upcoming court battles.
Jeb Bush should've warned his brother that sending protesters to Florida was a big mistake.
As everybody knows, we're perfectly capable of making a national
spectacle of ourselves with no outside assistance.