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In Today's Tequila Treehouse... US Forces Inside Fallujah How John Kerry Lost Computers Gave it to Bush  D-r-i-v-e   b-y   N-e-w-s  Voting Without the Facts A Second Bush Coup? Evidence Mounts: Vote Hacked? Magic (?) Ohio Precincts  Monkey Mail   Quote of the Day "I have given two cousins to war, and I    stand ready to sacrifice my wife's brother."      -- Artemus Ward

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 Quotes

"We declared it today and we are going to implement it whenever and wherever
  it is necessary. This will send a very powerful message that we are serious."
     --Bush Puppet Allawi, "serious" about sending US troops into the meatgrinder   Attribution

 US troops 'in centre of Falluja'
   Heavy fighting, 3 troops killed,  45 die in Baquba clashes

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
"US Colonel Michael Formica said a security cordon around the city would be tightened so that insurgents
 dressed in civilian clothing would be unable to leave. "My concern now is only one - not to allow any enemy
 to escape," he told the AP. "As we tighten the noose around the insurgents, they will move to escape to fight
 another day. I do not want these guys to get out of here. I want them killed or captured as they flee."

 Sami al-Jumaili, a doctor at the hospital who escaped arrest when it was taken by US troops, said the city
 was running out of medical supplies and only a few clinics remained open. There is not a single surgeon in Falluja.
 We had one ambulance hit by US fire and a doctor wounded," he told Reuters. "There are scores of injured
 civilians in their homes whom we can't move. A 13-year-old child just died in my hands."
 
 

 Remember The Alamo Fallujah!
 

  Comments?

 Is everyone else getting flooded with those "Kerry ready to un-concede" letters?
 They say it's from Kerry's brother - but it's always a forward, it's never from any determinable source.

 Quotes

"Voters nationwide reported some 1,100 problems with electronic voting machines on Tuesday,
  including trouble choosing their intended candidates."
        --Associated Press/ABC,   Attribution
.

   Comments?

 Subject: close borders for draft dodgers

 Bart, you were looking for that prior mention of Bush closing the borders
 to keep draft age people from escaping to Canada?  Here it is:

 John
 

 http://www.bartcop.com/1324.htm

 Check the first story -  Draft dilemma

  Excerpt:
 Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era.
 College and Canada will not be options.

 In December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration,"
 which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. This plan, among other things,
 eliminates higher education as a shelter and includes women in the draft.
 

   Comments?

 How Kerry Lost
   by  hammernews.com

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
 First, he lost the Catholic vote. At 65 mil, they are 27% of the vote. Kerry got only 47% to Bush's 52%.
 Second, he almost lost the Hispanic vote 52 to 47%. Gore had received a massive 69%
 Third, Bush did 5 points better with women than he did with Gore
 Fourth, the ballyhooed youth vote (18-29) was much weaker than hoped
 Fifth, the gay community blindsided him
 Sixth, he ignored fervent advice to attack Bush - mostly from  bartcop.com
 

 If Kerry had chosen to campaign, he might've won those five groups.
 

  Comments?

 Voting Without the Facts

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
"I think a case could be made that ignorance played at least as big a role in the election's outcome as values.
 A survey by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland found that 70 percent
 of Bush's supporters believe the U.S. has "clear evidence" that Saddam was working closely with Al Qaeda.
 A third of the president's supporters believe WMDs were found in Iraq. And more than a third believe that a
 substantial majority of world opinion supported Bush's invasion. This is scary.  How do you make a rational
 political pitch to people who have put that part of their brain on hold? No wonder Bush won."
 
 

  Comments?

 Quotes

"Attorneys scrutinizing the close vote on Amendment Four noticed that vote totals changed
  in an unexpected way after 13,000 final ballots were counted.   Election officials determined
  the problem was caused by the Unity Software." "The glitch was discovered two years ago,
  and should have been corrected by software manufacturer ES&S of Omaha, Neb., according
  to Broward County Mayor Ilene Lieberman."
       --Erika Bolstad,  Defective software 'lost' votes
 
 

 But if the Democrats don't mind losing, why should they correct the software?
 If the bank guard lets you steal money, you're going to, right?

 Computers Threw the Vote to Bush
   by G Mustain

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
"The American vote count is controlled by three major corporate players, Diebold, ESS, Sequoia, and a fourth, SAIC,
 Science Applications International. All four are hard-wired into the Bush power structure, the Bush crime family...
 The four companies are interconnected; they are not four "competitors."  Ahmanson has large stakes in ES&S,
 whose former CEO was Republican Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska. When Hagel ran for office, his own company
 counted the votes, and his victory was considered "an amazing upset." Hagel still has a million dollar stake in ES&S.
 Sequoia is the corporate parent of a private equity firm, Madison Dearborn, which is partner in the Carlyle Group.
 

  Comments?

 Quotes

"Folks, if you'll look at a map of this country by county, you'd have to say
  this is a red county country, not a red state country. Look at California!"
    -- the vulgar Pigboy, pretending Wyoming and Idaho are inhabited    Attribution

 Evidence of a Second Bush Coup?
   by Robert Parry (D-On Fire) at  consortiumnews.com

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
 ...the most perplexing fact is that exit polls into the evening of Nov. 2 showed Kerry rolling to a
 clear victory nationally and carrying most of the battleground states, including Florida and Ohio,
 whose totals would have ensured Kerry's victory in the Electoral College.

 Significantly, polls also showed Republicans carrying the bulk of the tight Senate races. However,
 when the official results were tallied, the presidential exit polls proved wrong while the Senate polls proved right.

 Explanations from the architects of the exit-poll sampling system also sound specious. Their report said
 Kerry voters were simply more willing than Bush voters to answer the exit pollsters' questions. But this
 "chattiness thesis" seems more like a post-facto excuse than a serious argument.

 Another explanation from some pundits was that the exit polls were adjusted by late in the day to rectify
 pro-Kerry exaggerations from the earlier samples. But that is not what happened. As the New York Times
 reported, "The presumption of a Kerry victory built a head of steam late in the day, when the national survey
 showed the senator with a statistically significant lead, one falling outside the survey's margin of error."
 

 Note: consortiumnews.com is the most important site on the internet. You should read their stuff.

  Comments?

 Was Paul Wellstone Murdered?

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
 Paul Wellstone was the only progressive in the U.S. Senate. Mother Jones magazine once described him as,
"The first 1960s radical elected to the U.S. senate." He was also the last. Since defeating incumbent Republican
 Rudy Boschowitz 12 years ago in a grassroots upset, Wellstone emerged as the strongest, most persistent,
 most articulate and most vocal Senate opponent of the Bush administration.

 In a senate that is one heartbeat away from Republican control, Wellstone was more than just another Democrat.
 He was often the lone voice standing firm against the status-quo policies of both the Democrats and the Republicans.
 As such, he earned the special ire of the Bush administration and the Republican Party, who made Wellstone's defeat
 that party's number one priority this year.
 

 Ask yourself: Would evil men kill to take over the world?

  Comments?

 The Brazil Report
     by  bcbrasil

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
 Anyone familiar with Grover Norquist's "bathtub" line knows that the right wants Americans to expect less
 of their government, in the way of services and legal protections. The right wants Americans to take the Brazilian
 attitude toward their government. It is our responsibility now to fight that attitude. The Republicans have at least
 two years to do their damage to the government with minimal opposition, but we cannot let them do their damage
 to our psyches. However bad you may feel right now, I feel worse, because I'm surrounded by Brazilians who
 think it's really funny that I had anything at all invested in the election. Everyone else has said it already, and said it
 better, so read Bartcop, read Atrios, read whatever web site you want, but listen to what everyone has already
 said about staying focused and not feeling sorry for yourselves. We do not want to end up like the Brazilians.

 Subject: Priority

 As a strong pro-choice feminist liberal ( and proud to be a liberal)  I knew all along the Bush Crime Family
 did not intend to "lose" the election.  What kind of idiots let a third of the country vote on a machine with
 no paper trail and that are easily tampered with?

 Even Venezuela's electronic voting machines all gave a paper ticket.  This election could not be audited.
 It worked for the Repugs during the wonderful years of Clinton in the White House.
 Remember they always said "Where there is smoke, there is fire."

 I see no use in ever working for or giving money to Democrats anymore.
 They do not try to win.  We need to fight fire with fire.

 Those stupid women who voted moral values may wish they had not when
 Dumbya gets the courts all filled with the worst of right-wing nut judges.

 Mary Lou
 Iowa City

 Quotes

"The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels
  of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the
  public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group
  more money or more power.  American fascism will not be really dangerous until there is a
  purposeful coalition among the cartelists, the deliberate poisoners of public information,
  and those who stand for the K.K.K. type of demagoguery."
     --Henry A. Wallace, 1944, who never even met Bush   Attribution
 

  Comments?

 Evidence Mounts That The Vote May Have Been Hacked

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
 In Baker County, for example, with 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them Democrats and 24.3%
 of them Republicans, the vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush, the opposite of what is
 seen everywhere else in the country where registered Democrats largely voted for Kerry.

 In Dixie County, with 9,676 registered voters, 77.5% of them Democrats and a mere 15% registered
 as Republicans, only 1,959 people voted for Kerry, but 4,433 voted for Bush.

 The pattern repeats over and over again - but only in the counties where optical scanners were used.
 Franklin County, 77.3% registered Democrats, went 58.5% for Bush. Holmes County, 72.7%
 registered Democrats, went 77.25% for Bush.
 

  Comments?

 Subject: I'm with Elaine

 Hey Bart,
 I'm with Elaine.

 Check out this great piece from Smirking Chimp:
 http://www.smirkingchimp.com/print.php?sid=18605

 The Chicago Roof Lady
 

  Excerpt:
"Tonight, we are keeping our word, and we will fight for every vote. You deserve no less."

 Edwards was telling us once again that "Hope is on the way" and,
 for a few hours anyway, we had reason to believe him.

 Until you showed up, John, with tears in your eyes and a white flag in your hand.
 

  Comments?

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 Anti-Bush Party in DC on Inauguration day?

 Last night on AAR, Janeanne Garafolo suggested we welcome the next Bush Reich
 with a "tear gas and fire hose" reception on January 20th of next year.

 If anyone plans on going, I would like to sponsor your sign(s).
 I will trade you money for signs, paint, etc for some digital pictures.
 If we buy in bulk, we can get signs cheap, right?

 I'm not talking about one sign or two signs, depending on costs, I'd like to see a sea of signs.
 So if you're going to DC to protest that bastard, click below and we'll see what can be worked out.

 First thing we'll need is some local DC ground people to be anchors.
 Once we have them, we'll check into the costs of, say, 20-40 signs.
 Then anyone wanting to protest can meet up with our anchor and get an anti-Bush sign to carry.
 I'll even pay for some hot chocolate afterwards, because it can get chilly in DC in January.

 If someone would like to donate to the protest fund, Click  Here and put "protest" in the subject line.
 If you'd like to help via mail: bartcop.com  PO Box 54466  Tulsa, OK  74155

 With a bigger budget, we can build bigger, better signs with eye-catchingcolors.
 With enough big, fancy signs, one might be photographed for a national/worldwide publication.
 Let's show the world that not all Americans are fascist, warmongering sons of bitches.

 Would you make a good anchor?
 

..
"You better not make me look bad
  with people all over the world watching!"

  Click Here to volunteer to  Protest that Bastard

 We have 71 days to prepare, but it all starts with some DC anchors.

 ...unless you think we should bow down and worship this Giggling Murderer?
 

 Update
 We have a lot of volunteers and almost $100 in build-a-sign donations, mostly thanks to Diane E.
 Wouldn't it be cool is we had 60 signs in the streets of DC on Bush Re-Installation Day?

 Subject:  Media blames bloggers

 The Republican controlled news media is blaming bloggers for reporting early that Kerry had won the election.
 As a blogger I find that amusing because we got our information from pollsters like John Zogby of the Zogby poll
 who announced the day before the election that Kerry was going to win by a landslide. We also got our information
 from the real results of the exit polls that showed Kerry winning by a landslide. Were bloggers like me wrong about
 what we reported? No - we weren't.

 The real story now is that with electronic voting on voting machines that are easily hacked, and in states like Ohio
 where the Secretary of State who counts the votes was also the state chairman for the Bush campaign, that the system
 is so riddled with fraud that we don't know who really won the election. The real story is that in areas with voting
 machines that are easily tampered with that the supposed error in the exit polls are far greater than areas with paper
 ballots and the error was all in favor of Bush. But if you want the details of those stories - you won't find that in the
 mainstream press. You have to get online and read the blogs.

 Marc Perkel
 San Francisco, CA.
 

  Comments?

 Cuyahoga County Precincts
   Some counties had more votes than registered voters

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
 Mayfield Village reg voters: 2764
 Total Mayfield votes cast:  3145
 That's 113 percent of possible votes

 Middleburg Heights reg voters: 12, 173
 Total Middleburg votes cast: 14, 854
 

 Note: I have no way to verify any of this.
 If things are as they seem, Kerry and Gore should be talking about it.
 Sure, the Monkey right will scream, "Sore loser," but if more votes were
 cast than possible voters, then we have no idea who won Ohio.

 If Kerry doesn't care enough to ask, how can we?

 Also, if things are as they seem and Kerry fails to follow up, if he can't be bothered,
 how can any democratic candidate ask people to volunteer their time in the next election?

 Access Denied to "the Pill"
  Evangelical pharmacists call birth control "silent abortions"

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
 Julee Lacey, mother of two, went to her local CVS drugstore for a last-minute Pill refill. She had been getting her
 prescription filled there for a year, so she was astonished when the pharmacist told her, "I personally don't believe
 in birth control and therefore I'm not going to fill your prescription." Lacey was shocked. "The pharmacist had no idea
 why I was even taking the Pill. I might have needed it for a medical condition."

 Melissa Kelley, 35, was just as stunned when her gynecologist told her she would not renew her prescription.

"She told me she couldn't in good faith prescribe the Pill anymore," says Kelley.  Then the gynecologist told Kelley
 she wouldn't be able to get a new prescription from her family doctor, either. "She said my primary care physician
 was the one who helped her make the decision." Lacey's pharmacist and Kelley's doctors are among hundreds,
 perhaps thousands, of physicians and pharmacists who now adhere to a controversial belief that birth control pills
 and other forms of hormonal contraception--including the skin patch, the vaginal ring, and progesterone injections
 --cause tens of thousands of "silent" abortions every year. Consequently, they are refusing to prescribe or dispense them.
 

 Way to go, America.
 Bush is taking is back to the fifties - before we had The Pill.

 This way, when your wife or daughter gets pregnant, you can pay for her abortion like Bob Barr did.
 

  Comments?

 Judge Lectures Jury in Peterson Trial
  The judge "clearly has indications that they're beginning to hang."

  Click  Here
 

 Arafat Critical; Vital Organs Functioning
  "It's only a matter of hours..."

  Click  Here
 

 Jim Belushi Sues 'Catwoman' for Harassment
  Spying on him, destroying his property and - horrors - calling him names

  Click  Here
 

 Desperate 'Housewives' becoming TV's top show
  25 million viewers on Sundays, another 9M on Saturday's repeat

  Click  Here

 Worse Than 2000: Tuesday's Electoral Disaster

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
 "A poster named 'TruthIsAll' on the DemocraticUnderground.com forums laid out the questionable results
 of Tuesday's election in succinct fashion: "To believe that Bush won the election, you must also believe:
 That the exit polls were wrong; that Zogby's 5pm election day calls for Kerry winning Ohio and Florida
 were wrong (he was exactly right in his 2000 final poll); that Harris' last-minute polling for Kerry was wrong
 (he was exactly right in his 2000 final poll); that incumbent rule #1 - undecideds break for the challenger
 - was wrong; That the 50% rule - an incumbent doesn't do better than his final polling - was wrong; That the
 approval rating rule - an incumbent with less than 50% approval will most likely lose the election - was wrong;
 that it was just a coincidence that the exit polls were correct where there was a paper trail and incorrect
 (+5% for Bush) where there was no paper trail; that the surge in new young voters had no positive effect
 for Kerry; that Kerry did worse than Gore against an opponent who lost the support of scores of Republican
 newspapers who were for Bush in 2000; that voting machines made by Republicans with no paper trail and
 with no software publication, which have been proven by thousands of computer scientists to be vulnerable
 in scores of ways, were not tampered with in this election."
 

  Comments?

 Quotes

"What concerns me most about the election held last Tuesday is that it is being treated
  like a normal event, like everything is groovy and now we can get on with the rest of our lives.
  Have we all entered some kind of bizarro universe? What would you say if your bank manager
  told you that you really didn't need a receipt for your bank transactions and that you should
  trust him to make sure that your accounts were in order? Why are we allowing corporate
  voting machine companies to privately own the tools of democracy?"
       --Phil Tajitsu Nash, Ten Questions About Campaign 2004
 

 I know the answer to this one: Because the Democrats don't mind losing.
 If the GOP can steal elections and the Dems don't care, why should they stop stealing them?

..
       "We do what we're told, Dubya is our man!"

 Note: When you write to complain about that graphic, send along a list
 of what Kerry and Edwards are doing to fix the broken voting system.
 If they don't mind Bush stealing this, we'll never win again.
 

  Comments?

 Tony Blair to be Impeached?
    Motion accuses him of "gross misconduct"

   Click  Here

  Excerpt:
"A draft of a parliamentary motion to impeach Prime Minister Tony Blair accuses him
 of "gross misconduct" over the US-led invasion of Iraq, a newspaper said...
 The newspaper said that although Blair had little chance of losing an impeachment vote,
 the very fact it was held would represent a serious humiliation."
 

  Comments?

 Bush Declares War on Alaska, Environment

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
"With the elections over, Congress and the Bush administration are moving ahead with ambitious
  environmental agendas that include revamping signature laws on air pollution and endangered species
 and reviving a moribund energy bill that would open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to energy exploration...

 The groundwork for the push was laid down in the past four years even as environmental groups,
 Congressional moderates and the courts put the brakes on major changes. But the election returns that
 gave Mr. Bush a clear victory and expanded the Republicans' majorities in Congress have emboldened
 those determined to hard-wire free-market principles into all environmental policy. "The election is a
 validation of our philosophy and agenda," Michael O. Leavitt, Bush's Puppet at the EPAgency, said in
 an interview. 'We will make more progress in less time while maintaining economic competitiveness for
 the country. That is my mission.'
 

  Comments?

 California Should Consider Seceding

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
 Suppose that California secedes from the rest of the nation? Before you naysayers exclaim,
"Well, that's just ridiculous!" ask yourselves this: Isn't it more ridiculous to let California, a state
 with the sixth-largest economy in the world (and perfectly capable of surviving as an independent nation),
 be governed by a leader who was chosen by a region we have so little in common with when it comes
 to political and social ideologies?

 Our first act as an independent nation should be to elect qualified leaders. Here's a new idea: co-presidents!
 And who better to do the job than the ever-popular tag team of Bill and Hillary? Together, they will pull us
 out of the deficit and make us a force to be reckoned with in no time.
 

 But what do we do with that Musclehead you Cali's elected?

 Subject: so much for your credibility

 really, bart, i enjoy your humour and entertainment value, but you've lost all credibility
 with this response to a reader who posted the same link i just sent you

 you wrote:

> "Phil, I can't tell if you're asking me or David Walker,
>  but voter fraud is a minutia-times-50 subject I just can't afford.

> If you want to get into it, I can prints some links, but I can't even
> answer my mail, much less get into 300 county problems in all 50 states. "

 so first you say we need proof,

 Yes, I think that's a good first step - how can assembling proof be a bad first thing?
 

 ...then you say it needs to be an easy to understand story,

 I think a hard-to-understand story would be difficult to sell - don't you agree?
 

 ...now you say you dont have time.

 That's true - what part of those three phrases is throwing you?
 

 aside from your litany of excuses being eerily reminiscent of the caravan of reasons to invade iraq,

 ha ha
 Being a one-man operation without a staff is "eerily reminiscent" of Bush's excuses for invading Iraq?
 I'm not sure that makes sense.
 

 you've proven a jeering example of what's wrong with the mainstream news media.
 i'm sure they're lazy coverage has a list including those very same factors.

 Wait - I think I see why your thinking is flawed:
 You think  bartcop.com  is another CNN, with thousands of employees all over the world with gross revenees
 in the hundreds of millions. of dollars.  I can assure you that's not the case, but thanks for the compliment - it's one
 of the best I've ever received.  The truth is, I'm a low-IQ Okie doing my best to create a small splash and tell the truth.
 I'm sorry you came to such an invalid conclusion.
 

 your activism and advocacy for the left is admirable, but we'll all need to accept
 that you're trading on a position and not truly supporting it.

 I want to support it, but I want to support it with facts, not faith.
 Isn't that what smart people do?   Assemble the facts and then judge?
 

 although smaller, and i'd guess a billion times less profitable,
 you are no different from fox - just to the left.

 FOX exists to fool the stupid and promote Bush's disasterous tax cuts..
 If I was in this for the money, I'd be fooling the stupid rich people instead of
 telling the truth to the struggling, middle class Democrats and the hated minorities.

 but hey, dont go changing. i'll still come visit for my daily chuckles!
 shaman
 

 Thanks for making the hit counter spin.

 Quotes

"People will tolerate and understand mistakes if
  the mistakes can be openly admitted and then dealt with."
    -- Newt Gingrich, (R-Scumbag, Cheat) on why Bush can't admit mistakes, Attribution

 From: My good friend Nick Dupree

 Subject:  Don't let the "centrists" win!   We need economic justice!

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
 This "centrist" nonsense is FALSE on several points. Here are 4 big reasons it lost us this election:

 1) the Dems are conceding that "moral issues" are the intolerance of gays, anti-stem cell, anti-sex and anti-abortion.
 They do not mention that the issues of poverty, health care and war may be moral issues.

 2) we concede to compete on their ideological turf, with their definitions, for their voter base.

 3) we run from anti-war candidates like the plague, conceding to the right-wing line that peace is treason and war is peace.

 4) we get all jellyfish-spine when challenged, act ashamed of the liberalism that created this productive society....

 Another Rigged Election?

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
 On election night, Peter Jennings looked measurably surprised when he learned that President Bush had provided
 a tape of himself, sitting in the White House, commenting on his impending victory.  It was an unprecedented move.
 No sitting president had ever addressed the nation while polls were still open. It was just not done.

 But there was George, exuding confidence, offering an election day reminder of our leader's legitimacy.

 It was all so perfectly Rovian, too. And why not? The Bush family filmed a similar made-for-TV moment in 2000,
 when they assured America that Florida belonged to George. "There was one exact moment, in fact, when I knew for sure
 that Al Gore would Never be President of the United States, no matter what the experts were saying, and that was when the
 whole Bush family suddenly appeared on TV and openly scoffed at the idea of Gore winning Florida," Hunter S. Thompson wrote,
 two weeks before the Supreme Court's fateful decision." Of course Bush would win Florida. Losing was out of the question.
 Here was the whole bloody Family laughing & hooting & sneering at the dumbness of the whole world on National TV."

 Clashing Quotes

"There's nobody who knows how many people are in Fallujah. U.S. forces are disciplined,
  they are well-led, they are well trained ... and there aren't going be large numbers of
  civilians killed and certainly not by U.S. forces."
      --Donald Rumsfeld, who always assumed the best case scenario,  Attribution

"This will be no neat, surgical strike. To get the measure of this, think of the Russian Army's
  destruction of the Chechen capital, Grozny. In 1999 this already battered city (of originally 400,000
  people) was finally destroyed by massive Russian bombardment...This attack will also violate the
  rules of war and the Geneva conventions in having grossly indiscriminate effects on civilians and
  civilian homes and infrastructure. America's largely untrained in battle but over-armed forces will
  start their attack "humanely", but as they inevitably take numbers of lethal casualties, their tactics
  will quickly escalate to indiscriminate bombing and shelling of the city using their WMD armories.
  Eventually, the attackers will flatten the city and kill everyone that still resists in it. Falluja will be
  the Iraqi people's Masada, and it will sow seeds of deep anti-Western hatred in the Middle East
  for decades to come."
        --Tony Kevin,   All the Makings of a War Crime

 Subject: I just don't get it

 I'm not a lawyer and I have zero legal training. But as I read the First Amendment, it says, plain as day,
 government shall make no law pertaining to religion. This is in the revolutionary tradition of the time of its writing,
 immigrants to America were escaping religious persecution and wanted the USA to be a secular republic,
 with separation of church and state.

 And the abortion/homosexuality thing is clearly a religious value. It's awful that they get to take away the most basic
 of American freedoms, the first amendment, where Government doesn't get to tell you to believe certain religious
 values but not others. The Puritans have taken over, if this continues, next they'll be burning books.

  Jitske

..

 Subject: military votes

 You've finally admitted it.  You said that Democrats tried to object to military votes.

 It would be illogical to deny the facts, which are:
 Once the GOP saw Florida was deadlocked, they asked all military personnel to
 send in both ballots. For reasons I don't understand, they said each soldier got 2 ballots.
 These ballots continued to come in all during the month of November and some in December
 and the GOP wanted these ballots counted, which hardly seemed fair.
 

 This attempted blocking of votes was the ONLY, and I stress ONLY blocking of votes going on in 2000.
 All those lies about black people being prevented from voting were just that...lies.  Fantasies.
 You're saying the Supreme Court did NOT order the counting to be stopped?
 In your world, did they even get involved?
 

 Where were the pictures?  The video?  The testimonies?

 The Supreme Court doesn't allow pictures or video
 The testimonies are the words that came from Ted Olson and David Boyes.
 In your dimension, do they exist?
 

 It wasn't Republicans trying to prevent people from voting, it was Democrats.
 LBJ taught Dems how to do it in Texas, Joe Kennedy did it again in Illinois, and Gore tried to do it in Florida in 2000.

 Right - the gelding Democrats prevented the wealthy white people from voting - right.
 

 Let me explain a simple fact to you, Sheep.  (You'll no doubt address me as "Monkey", so I'm just being preemptive.)

 ha ha
 'Preemptive' is such a big word for a Monkey
 

 Mail traveling to and from forward deployed units overseas is slow.  And I'm talking weeks.
 A letter mailed from a deployed ship may take up to three weeks to reach it's receipient.
 The sheer volume of mail and the operations tempo may even cause some letters not to be postmarked.
 So you can whine, cry, bitch and moan about "illegal" military ballots to the point of an aneurism.

 Monkey, I didn't write the law that said "All ballots must be received no later than election day."
 That law was on the books before I was born, so blow me.
 

 But you and your friends will NOT deny us the right to vote because we're smart enough not to vote democrat.
 Ain't gonna happen.
 Brandt
 

 But Brandt, "you guys" were smart enough to vote to stay in Iraq (which we invaded for no reason) until further notice.
 You call that victory?

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