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The Coming Wars 
2nd Ho Got Money to Lie 
Violence up in Iraq
Taken Over by a Cult 
Lyons: Playing the Game 
Ho Talk Show Host For Sale 
Boxing gloves on chickens
Conason: Rice & Gonzales 
Media Mess in America 

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  I urge alls (not a typo) people to vote."
  --  The Monkey, standing behind a wall of Secret 
     Service agents, telling Iraqis to risk their lives 
     to legitimize his bloody, illegal invasion

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Volume 1487 - Go ahead, admit it


  Friday-Sunday   Jan 28-30,  2005                                                                                                                   Mike Malloy - 10 EST Weeknights on AAR

 Quotes

ãIt is important that the world not only knows that this secretary of state has
  the ear of the president, but has, if you will allow me to put it this way, America's heart.ä
     --Joseph Lieberman, Democrat, exhiliarated from his Bush reach-around, in support of Condi Rice Attribution
 

 Oh, gag me with a swastika, Joe.
 Everytime you get on your knees for Bush it reminds me
 what a fool Al Gore was for trusting you with the second slot in 2000.

 The Bush Family Evil Empire got their start at Auschwitz.
 As a Jewish man, that doesn't bother you at all?

 Please join the Republican party and stop claiming you represent Democrats.

 Comments?


 The Coming Wars 
   by Seymour Hersch of The New Yorker

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
 Despite the deteriorating security situation in Iraq, the Bush Administration has not reconsidered its
 basic long-range policy goal in the Middle East: the establishment of democracy throughout the region.
 Bushâs reëlection is regarded within the Administration as evidence of Americaâs support for his decision
 to go to war. It has reaffirmed the position of the neoconservatives in the Pentagonâs civilian leadership
 who advocated the invasion. According to a former high-level intelligence official, Rumsfeld met with the
 Joint Chiefs of Staff shortly after the election and told them, in essence, that the naysayers had been heard
 and the American people did not accept their message. Rumsfeld added that America was committed to
 staying in Iraq and that there would be no second-guessing.

 ...the former high-level intelligence official told me. ãNext, weâre going to have the Iranian campaign."
 
 

 According to Bush, Kerry and the networks, this is what America voted for last November.  To wipe out
"terrorism," which now includes anybody angry with the American invasion of a backwards, helpless country,
 Bush will have to kill over a hundred million people.

 Re-read that last line.

 Is this a reason for the elected Gelding Democrats to finally stand up and fight?
 Of course not - they're wasiting for Bush to do something outrageous.

 Comments?



 
 


 Quotes

"[Iraq] is not a numbers game."
    -- Rumsfeld, saying what you say when the numbers are too horrible to comprehend.
 

 Comments?


 Second Columnist Got Bush Money to Lie
  His policies are all failure - that's why they have to buy support

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
 Following on the heels of the Armstrong Williams fiasco for which no price was ever paid,
 syndicated columnist Maggie Gallagher has received a $21,500 contract from Bush a promote
 his political pandering of calling for the hating of gay people who he's never even met.

"Did I violate journalistic ethics by not disclosing it?" Gallagher asked another whore,
 the WaHoPo's Howard Kurtz, who disclosed the arrangement. "I don't know. You tell me."

  ha ha
 Can you believe she used "journalistic" and "ethics" in the same sentence?
 If you take money to lie about things you don't believe, you're a whore, not a journalist.
 

 How many other whores are out there - enjoying their ill-gotten payoffs for lying?
 When they get caught, they're going to say, "I'm sorry," but they're not sorry YET!
 They will fake being sorry when they get caught - so who are these other whores?


 Sidebar: I need more of these.
 I need the top ten whores at FOX, Andrew "bareback" Sullivan, Matt Lauer,
"Oh!" Mr Greenfield from CNN,  William the Liar Schneider, Judas Maximus,
 Christopher (Mother Teresa was a whore) Hitchens, Bob Scheiffer,  ...the list is 100 names long.
 I'm sure you know who's guilty.
 Send those if you can - I'll give you a plug in return, but please don't sign the whore pics.

 Comments?



 Insurgents Step Up Violence ahead of Vote
  Blowing up polling places "not a problem?"

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
 Baghdad - Eleven Iraqis and one U.S. Marine were killed Thursday as insurgents clashed with U.S. troops
 and blew up a school slated to serve as a polling center - pre-election violence that followed the deadliest day
 for U.S. troops since the war's start. Another U.S. soldier died in an accident.

 The Marine was killed and five others were injured when insurgents launched mortars at their base near
 Iskandariyah, about 30 miles south of Baghdad.  In the capital, U.S. and Iraqi troops clashed with insurgents
 on Haifa street in the center of the city, witnesses reported.

 The attacks came after the deadliest day for U.S. forces since the Iraq war began two months ago: 30 U.S.
 Marines and a Navy sailor died when a helicopter crashed in bad weather in the western desert Wednesday,
 and six other U.S. troops were killed in insurgent ambushes.

 Comments?


 Subject: new lower standards

 So now this administration has been caught paying columnist Maggie Gallagher
 to hype their marriage initiative.  Prior to that there was payola to Armstrong Williams
 for flogging "No Child Left Behind".  Don't forget the taxpayer-supported propaganda
 to push the Medicare Drug Benefit Plan.

 Does anyone remember the original reasons for going to war with Iraq?
 In a Democrat-led administration these are called "scandals" and heads roll.

 Thankfully we have lowered our standards to accommodate a Republican
 administration, or perhaps with God on their side they can do no wrong.

 DC Madman

 Comments?



 Subject: your Kerry abuse

 as a registered independent i for one appreciate your criticism
 of the way the democrats have handled the bush regime from
 it's rise to power to the current strong hold it has on this retarded nation.

 you have to ask yourself who's worse the assholes
 or the pussies who don't have the balls to stand up to them?
 billy, tampa
 

 The Democrats, especially in the senate, should be arrested
 for an ongoing scheme to receive money under false pretenses.

 This is organized crime and should be dealt with as such.
 Once we have a anti-fascist party in this country we can go after the real criminals.

 Comments?



 Quotes

"...wow was he in a good mood. You almost get the impression he enjoys doing these now."
      -- Kathryn Jean Lopez, at NRO's Corner, on Dubya's press conference
          on the day that a chopper crash in Iraq killed 31 Americans,    Attribution

 Comments?


 From: Skip

 Subject: I think Seymour Hersh has been listening to Tally on Bartcop radio...
 

 We've Been Taken Over by a Cult

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
 About what's going on in terms of the President is that as virtuous as I feel, you know, at The New Yorker,
 writing an alternative history more or less of what's been going on in the last three years, George Bush feels
 just as virtuous in what he is doing. He is absolutely committed -- I don't know whether he thinks he's doing
 God's will or what his father didn't do, or whether it's some mandate from -- you know, I just don't know, but
 George Bush thinks this is the right thing. He is going to continue doing what he has been doing in Iraq.

 He's going to expand it, I think, if he can. I think that the number of body bags that come back will make no
 difference to him. The body bags are rolling in. It makes no difference to him, because he will see it as a price
 he has to pay to put America where he thinks it should be. So, he's inured in a very strange way to people like me,
 to the politicians, most of them who are too cowardly anyway to do much. So, the day-to-day anxiety that all of
 us have, and believe me, though he got 58 million votes, many of people who voted for him weren't voting for
 continued warfare, but I think that's what we're going to have.
 

 Comments?


If lung cancer makes a great Christmas gift,
smoke what Ronnie smoked - Chesterfields.


 Senator wants boxing gloves on chickens
   Only in Oklahoma can people be this stupid

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
 Oklahoma City -- A state senator has a plan for saving Oklahoma's gamefowl industry now
 that cockfighters are legally prohibited from pitting birds fitted with razor-like spurs.

 State Sen. Frank Shurden, a longtime defender of cockfighting, is suggesting that roosters be given
 little boxing gloves so they can fight without bloodshed. The proposal is in a bill the Democrat has
 introduced for the legislative session that begins Feb. 7.

"Who's going to object to chickens fighting like humans do? Everybody wins," Sen. Frank Shurden said.
 Oklahoma voters banned cockfighting in 2002. The practice is still legal in Louisiana and New Mexico.
 

 Note: A cock-loving judge ruled that the election wasn't valid, so cock-fighting is still legal.

 Comments?


 Playing the game
    by Gene Lyons

  Click  Here

  Excerpt
 Based upon their performances in public office, two worse choices than
 Gonzales and Rice can hardly be imagined. Both appear to place ambition
 and personal loyalty above all competing values, beginning with truth.
 Theyâre less public servants than courtiers to the House of Bush.

 Meanwhile, with the notable exceptions of Sens. Barbara Boxer and John
 Kerry, Democrats appear too fearful to express strong opposition
 lest somebody like Rush Limbaugh call them hypocrites or racists.

 Then thereâs Dr. Rice, as she likes being called, a dead giveaway. During
 the propaganda buildup to the Iraqi war, nobody was more dogmatic
 about Saddam Husseinâs nuclear arsenal. "We donât want the smoking
 gun to be a mushroom cloud," she warned.

 After Bush was criticized for including previously discredited claims
 about Saddamâs nonexistent nuclear weapons in a speech, a White House
 spokesman alibied that neither he nor Rice had read the entire 90-page
 National Intelligence Estimate about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.
 A Stanford sophomore, where Rice was provost, would be failed for that.
 Rice was barely criticized.

 Comments?



 Subject: sound bites

 Bart,

 Actual dialogue and discussion require the allocation of sufficient time to allow the concepts
 under discussion to be considered and understood, and possibly refuted. I am quickly tiring of BartCop
 because you claim to be a consummate debater, yet you are apt to demure to sound bites and truisms.

 I am losing respect for you the more I read your site.
 Do a better job, Bart, because idiots I can get at FOX.
 Ideas require thought, not brevity.

 Akita
 

 Akita, it sounds like you're ready to school me in a live chat room.
 I'm ready to be put in my place by a superior debater such as yourself.

 Tell me when you're free to start my whipping.

 Comments?



 Conservative Talk Show Host For Sale

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
 "Hey÷Whereâs MY gravy?ä

 Thatâs my question after finding out my fellow conservatives like Armstrong Williams and
 Maggie Gallagher are on the ãcash for commentary ä bandwagon. Why not me?

 Since the Bush Administration hasnât called (yet), Iâm dropping a not-so-subtle hint that I, too, have bills to pay.
 Iâm making my services as a talk host, writer and pundit available quickly and easily right here on eBay.
 And, because Iâm a true conservative capitalist, my services are available to the highest bidder!
 

 Finally - an honest conservative.

 Comments?


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We've got the right books by the right authors.


 Subject: under 21 drinking

 This happened within the span of our lives.
 In the 1970's, the federal government relaxed their highway funding rules to allow the states
 to experiment with legalizing drinking at age 18.  My memory gets a bit fuzzy here - probably
 because it happened after I had turned 21 - but I do seem to recall that almost every state
 passed laws making the legal drinking (alcohol - of course) age 18 years.

 Before the 1980's, the feds changed its rules and all states eventually repealed their laws in
 response to a statistically significant jump in highway traffic accident deaths among 18 to 21 drivers.

 Santa Fe Vic
 
 

 Vic, I think you have that backwards.
 Drinking laws were state options until the feds blackmailed the states with highway money.
 My cousin Bud went to Memphis State in 1971 because he could drink there as a minor.
 I'm not for underage drinking, but I'm also not for underage dying.

 It's wrong that a man can spend 1000 days in combat for his country and then be denied
 a beer with his food at a Pizza Hut because he's not old enough to make wise decisions.

 Comments?



 An Honorable Dissent On Rice and Gonzales
     by Joe Conason

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
 To vote against Ms. Rice and Mr. Gonzales is a sad duty, and a responsibility that is not
 without risk for the same reasons. He grew up in an impoverished barrio, while she grew up
 in racist Mississippi. Their life stories and personal accomplishments in overcoming those
 obstacles are inspiring; moreover, she will be the first black woman to serve in her new office,
 and he will be the first Hispanic to serve in his.

 So Senators who insist on assessing their behavior in office and the content of their character
 find themselves accused, by unscrupulous partisans, of discriminating against these nominees on
 the basis of race. When not arraigned on bogus charges of racism, the dissenting Senators are
 instead charged with "obstructionism," because they have refused to rubber-stamp Bushâs choices.

 Too bad: The Constitutional process under way is known as confirmation, not celebration.
 And in both of these cases, despite their heart-warming biographies, there is more to
 deprecate than celebrate.

 Comments?


 Subject: more torture

 Bart:

 You said, "and please don't suggest that it's totally impossible to catch someone 'red-handed.'"
 First, it seems to me that if you're catching them "red handed" there's no need for torture because the facts are right in front of you.

 Second, I'll tell you what.  If you are all knowing, and can determine someone's guilt without any hearing or trial,
 I'll allow you the torture.  But if your victim turns out to be innocent, I insist you pay the consequences.  I'm talking
 about serious prison time for wrongful imprisonment, assault and battery, and attempted murder (because you know
 that torture can cause death).  Then when it is determined that your wife (who you thought had been kidnapped)
 was only spending the night at Aunt Dorothy's, she can come to prison to visit you for the next 25 years.

 Fair enough?
 Jim H, veteran of Vegasfest 2002
 

 Jim, so it would be in the "torturers" best interests to let another 9-11 occur so as not to risk losing his freedom.
 Sounds like a less-than-perfect system for saving (possibly) millions of American lives.

 As far as "red-handed," what if they know he gave money and info to the hijackers, but they didn't know
 which planes they'd grab? He's 100% guilty and you say there's no need to gather the info?

 I'm with you in principle, but like some dude said last issue, "never say never."

 still your buddy,
 bart

 Comments?


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 Subject: brainwashed

 Bart,

 I think the average American (those too busy to educate themselves with Bartcop and consortium news, etc.)
 is only aware of what the media and Bush's henchmen feed them. I believe we are living in fascist times here in Amerika.
 That is why the stupid Average Joe is willing to let their sons and daughters go fight in Iraq. They are just uninformed.

 Of course, I know you know this-it is just very hard and hurtful to swallow.
 Loyal Subscriber,
 Mrs. J.
 

 Mrs J, you have a good point.
 Last I heard, a full 60 percent still thought Saddam financed 9-11.

 Bush's lies,
 plus the media's selling out,
 plus Democratic cowardice caused this.

 If we could just stop one of those three we could turn this country around.
 
 Comments?


 The Year Begins in Brazil
    by BC Brasil

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
 There is a saying in Brazil, or at least in the cities with big Carnaval celebrations, that the year doesnât really
 begin until Carnaval. This appears to be true. Most of Recife is on vacation right now, the schools are closed,
 and the streets are deserted on the weekends. However, there is one other date that could really start the year,
 and it was Sunday, January 16. The day the state soccer championships began.

 It was a hot summer day, and the Ilha do Retiro wasnât quite packed ö several years of disappointments will do that
 ö but it was close enough to packed. The cheap seats behind the goals were so crowded that people, like me, were
 sitting on the stairs. Most of the twenty thousand in attendance were wearing red, black, and yellow. The game
 started well, Sport controlled the ball and kept the pressure on until, in the twenty-fifth minute, Petrolina countered
 and scored a lucky goal against the flow of the game. Twenty-eight years of being a Redskins, Orioles, Bullets, and
 Caps fan came to the surface in my mind as I asked myself (conveniently forgetting the first Gibbs and Weaver eras),
 "Why do my teams always, always disappoint me?"

 But Sport didnât disappoint.

 Comments?



 Quotes

 Dubya: How old is your child, Carl?

 Carl:     Fourteen years old.

 Dubya: Yes, 14. Well, if she were --

 Carl:     He, sir.

 Dubya: He, excuse me. I should have done the background check.
 She will -- when she gets ready to -- when she's 50, the system will be broke.
       --America's Monkey, attempting adult conversation   Attribution

 
 What's wrong with the president's mind?
 Why can't his brain accept and retain thoughts the way most brains do?

  Comments?


 Third Columnist Implicated with Payola Charges

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
 Michael McManus, whose syndicated column, "Ethics & Religion," appears in 50 newspapers, was hired
 as a subcontractor by the Department of Health and Human Services to promote an administration marriage
 initiative, according to an article posted yesterday by Salon.com, the online magazine.

 Eric Boehlert wrote that Salon had confirmed that McManus ãchampioned the plan in his columns without
 disclosing to readers he was being paid to help it succeed.ä

 Bush has ordered his Cabinet secretaries to stop hiring commentators to help promote administration initiatives
 after revelations surrounding commentators Tom Armstrong Williams and Maggie Gallagher.
 

 If Bush's ideas are good, why does he have to pay conservatives to back them?

  Comments?



 Money, Media & the Mess in America
   by Robert Parry at  consortiumnews.com

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
 Sometime after 2009, when historians pick through the wreckage left behind by George W. Bushâs
 administration, they will have to come to grips with the role played by the professional conservative media infrastructure.

 Indeed, it will be hard to comprehend how Bush got two terms as President, ran up a massive debt, and misled
 the country into at least one disastrous war ö without taking into account the extraordinary influence of the
 conservative media, from Fox News to Rush Limbaugh, from the Washington Times to the Weekly Standard.

 Recently, itâs been revealed, too, that the Bush administration paid conservative pundits Armstrong Williams and
 Maggie Gallagher while they promoted White House policies. Even fellow conservatives have criticized those payments,
 but the truth is that the ethical line separating conservative ãjournalismä from government propaganda has long since been wiped away.

 For years now, thereâs been little meaningful distinction between the Republican Party and the conservative media machine.

 In 1982, for instance, South Korean theocrat Sun Myung Moon established the Washington Times as little more than
 a propaganda organ for the Reagan-Bush administration. In 1994, radio talk show host Limbaugh was made an
 honorary member of the new Republican House majority.
 
 

 You should read every word that Parry writes.
 consortiumnews.com  is the most important site on the Internet.

 Comments?


 Subject: is torture ever OK?

 My first instinctual response was "no".

 I now believe it could be useful at the confirmation hearings for
 extracting the truth from bush's nominees for cabinet and judicial positions.

 And if dreams come true and any or all of our present regime should be impeached, well...

 Ken Doll

 Comments?



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 Quotes

"I will remind [Putin] that if he intends to continue
  to look West, we in the West believe in Western values."
    --Dubya, saying we'll dump our values of Putin doesn't look this way,   Attribution

 Comments?


 Subject: Cheney's comments at Auschwitz

 So, Darth Cheney says that "evil exists, and must be called by its name, and confronted".

 Fine, I call him, and this adminitration, and the current "Republican Party" evil, and will confront it in whatever way I can.

 So should we all.
 mark
 

 Mark, Auschwitz is where the BFEE got its start.
 Prescott Bush teamed up with Hitler to use slave labor to save on payroll costs.

 Comments?


Bush's U.S. soldier body count in Iraq
 

1380, 1420, 1429, dead soldiers under Bush
 

They got 9 since Thursday.

Are you happy with Bush's war?

"I'm an optimist on Iraq."
-- The Monkey who has the best bodyguards
in the world and no relatives in Iraq.

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 Quotes

"Canadians, what you see on Fox and other right wing outlets does not represent the US!
  We are smart people! It's just that these baboons have hijacked the planes of democracy
  and crashed them into the towers of common sense. And when the baboon finally shows its ass,
  you'll be seeing that it is big, puffy, nasty looking and RED!"
     --"Allen," commenting on Ann Coulter insisting that Canada sent troops to Vietnam,  Attribution

 Comments?


..
 

 Subject: let freedom ring

 Bart,

 This makes a lot of sense.
 Let us assume for the moment that Saddam was still in power in Iraq.

 OK, I'm with you so far...
 

 He would be still harboring terrorists, torturing his people, filling mass graves
 and paying Palestinian families a reward for their son (or daughter) killing Israeli
 women, children and anybody else that happen to be in the way.

 It sounds like you believe everything Bush tells you - even the parts that he's had to admit
 were 100 percent wrong.  Do you ever allow facts to change your mind?
 Granted, one terrorist (Abul Nidal from 1986) retired in Iraq.
 Do you think catching him was worth the lives of 1420 soldiers?
 Did you believe them when they said Saddam financed 9-11?
 

 Saddam may not have been directly involved or maybe did not know that UBL was
 planning an attack on us. But I will bet you one thing, he was very happy to see it happen.
 I believe he made some remark to that affect. Saddam hated us and made that well known.

 Every Muslin that hates Israel was happy to see that happen.
 Should we murder all of them?
 

 Saddam violated 16 United Nations Security Council Resolutions.
 (Just like Israel)

 He was a threat to his neighbors and we could not wait until he was a threat to us.
 Powell said Saddam was "safely contained and no threat to his neighbors" in 2001.
 

 You may say, we did not find any WMD. This is true. He either hid it very well or
 perhaps moved it out of his country. We certainly know he had some in the past;
 he used it on his own people.

 Yes, he bought that poison gas from Reagan and Bush the Smarter, then used it on the Kurds.
 Why did Reagan and Bush sell Saddam WMDs?  Can you answer that?
 Saddam said he wanted to "make medicine" with the WMDs Reagan and Bush sold him.
 Don't you know anything about this subject?
 

 I believe he was convinced that he had the WMD,

 That's why we murdered his kids?
 Because Pops was delusional?

 ...it is the only thing that explains his defiance.
 

 No, common sense explains his defiance.
 Bush wanted Saddam to declare that he was unarmed and helpless to the Arab world.
 Arabs would rather be murdered than declare they are unarmed and helpless.
 

 The terrorists have come to Iraq from many places and probably are made up of many of Baathist
 party members that surrounded Saddam. They know full well if Democracy gets a foothold in Iraq
 it will be a major defeat for them. If they win by either delaying the voting taking place this weekend
 or destroying the voting process altogether, they will have a major victory. They will then have free
 reign to cause chaos all over the world. We will not be spared from their terror.

 What terror?
 Saddam was never a threat to us.
 The Iraqi threat was manufactured by Bush.
 How can you feel so strongly about these things if you don't understand them?
 

 Do you really think that appeasing the terrorists are going to make them go away and leave us alone?

 Now that Bush has created a Frankenstein, yes, we have to deal with it.
 But I guarantee the answer is NOT to start a third war with Iran.
 

 I don't think so.
 We must go after any and all terrorists and the countries/governments harboring/training them.

 Then why aren't we invading Saudi Arabia?
 Could it be because Bush the Smarter is on the Saudi payroll?
 

 This is going to take a long time. I don't expect to see a major dent in the terrorist mentality in my lifetime.

 Too bad Bush didn't handle things as well as Clinton did.
 With Clinton, we have peace, prosperity and no dead soldiers,
 but your side says peace, prosperity and no dead soldiers is "appeasment."

 Admit it, you feel great about Bush being president, right?
 Go ahead, admit it!

 You prefer Bush's war and death and recession to Clinton's peace and prosperity.
 Go ahead - admit that for everyone to read.
 

 We are going to see many people killed and injured over the next few years.
 My only hope is there will many more of them killed then us.
 Democracy and freedom is a major victory in the war on terror.
 Democracy is working in Afghanistan and it will work in Iraq.

 If you say so...
 

 What part of freedom bothers you?
 Dick

 
 That's how a third grader thinks, and it's how a ditto-monkey argues.
 Bush starting an unnecessary war with a backwards country is not "creating freedom."

 Do you realize we've lost 1429 soldiers?
 What have we gained from those 1429 deaths?
 
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