Subject: protector of women?

Hi Bart.

Now I have sent stuff to you on my views a few times, but I really think you are too self absorbed.
WHO CARES who you want to fuck. Honestly it just sounds like another day for any woman
having to listen to the endless sex drivel of some shriveled ( i could be wrong) old man.
It would be nice to read comments from a man showing some sembilence of equality.
But I'm personally not holding my breath. And the whole calling everyone a whore thing is really
a little stupid. But go ahead i will read, as always to gleen the little bit that I personally find interesting.

This may come as a surprise to you but men like you don't have a clue as to what women think,
and I'm also certain that you don't care. But fair is fair, cause i don't give a rats ass what your
stupid opinion is , cause I have my own stupid opinion. Still like your site, but your view on women
is the same old same old. You, being a white man, I presume, don't have a clue as to how it feels
to be talked about (in the media), and treated as SECOND CLASS. You are so fucked up,
on one hand you say she's a babe, show us your tits...blah blah and then you turn around and
call people whore, whore. Is it the old madonna/whore complex you spout.
You could get some help or medication you know.......

Love ya,

Midge
 

Midge,
I keep re-reading your note - looking for something to respond to.
Does your note have a central theme or a specific complaint?

I noticed you failed to address my central theme.

> If I'm wrong - explain Tom Cruise to me.

Since a no-talent hack like Tom Cruise is Hollywood's top draw, that proves
society agrees with my theory that people, (women, in this case) think "sex"
when determining where to spend their entertainment dollar.

If there are two movies on TV, one starring Willem Defoe and one starring Tom Cruise,
you would watch the Tom Cruise movie even tho Defoe has twenty times the talent.

You seem angry that I pointed out that fact.

I realize I asked for this debate, but really - accusing me of making this page
"about who I want to fuck," when you, presumably, make the same kinds of
entertainment decisons I do would seem to reveal something about you.

I think you wrote more insults directed at me and men
than I have about women in the last seven hundred issues.

From: Jeff

Subject: the feminist webthing

Hi BartCop -
Good site.  I appreciate politically critical satire.

If you're interested in why someone would say your site
may not appeal to feminists, here is the reason:

You insinuate that just because a woman takes off her clothes (doc laura) she is a slut or a whore.
Just those two words alone will turn off any feminist.  So, I hate doc laura as much as the next person,
but calling her a slut displays an antagonistic attitude toward sexually active women (or ones that take
their clothes off in front of a camera).

jeff
 

Wow!

I had no idea I was so totally ineffective at making my point.
Laura Schlessinger is not "some woman who took off her clothes."

There are twelve naked pictures of Laura, but there are more than 12,000 naked pictures
of Pamela Anderson - have I ever called Anderson a slut or a whore?   I don't think so.
The evidence seems to indicate it's not the clothes shedding that's the problem.

I'm so flabbergasted, I'm at a loss for words.
I'm more shocked by my ineffectiveness than I was when "Donna" at
the DNC promised me the DNC does not get involved with fund-raisers.

I blame the Catholics...

From: Janet

Subject: women's opinions

Okay, You asked for it. Generally I think that you are very respectful of women.
Your stand about Susan Mc Dougal and Julie Hiatt Steele are right on the mark.

Everything you've said about dr. Laura are perfectly true. However the mark of a
good actress is not whether or not you are attracted to her,  it is kind of like so
many people being attracted to gw bush but does that make him a good president?

NO , they were just fooled by the illusion and fascade.  Actresses have hairdressers
and make up artists and good lighting. bush has handlers and "advisers" to make him
look good but it is the performance and substance that counts.
IT IS WHETHER OR NOT SOMEONE CAN DO THE JOB.

If you are thinking about her body you are not very involved in the story.
If you believe the press you will never see the man behind the curtain.
 

I am losing faith in my ability to make a point.

Let me try my central theme question on you:

Between a Willem Dafoe movie and a Tom Cruise movie,
I'll bet you would stand in the cold, cold wind to buy Cruise tickets,
even if there was no line at all for the new Willem Dafoe movie.

That doesn't make you a bad person, but it proves my point.

Beauty is a draw.
It may be illogical, but arguing with that fact proves ...what?

From: Sarah

Subject: feminists

Hey, BC

first.....fem·i·nism (fèm¹e-nîz´em) noun
1.      Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes.
2.      The movement organized around this belief.

from all I read at your site, you support the idea/belief, oui?

You bet, but I'd rather watch Halle Berry do a love scene than Tom Arnold.
If that makes me an enemy to women, I must confess.
 

Now, am I offended or upset with what you have on your site (as it relates to women)?
Mostly, nah. I'm a pretty old fartress myself so I can tell the difference between joshing and deliberate.
I admit, I can do without so much female skin but that's my own thing and I don't take it personally.
You could add a few good looking men (and for me, that does NOT mean Tom Cruise.
ha ha
It means someone with character and panache...like Robert Redford), but as you say, it's your site.
When I construct my own site, it will probably have fewer almost-nude women and more pictures
of women I admire, like Helen Thomas or Molly Ivens or Ann Richards or Barbara Jordan (and JHS, for sure).

Fabulous bodies they ain't, but they are damn fine looking women any way you slice it. I will also have
pictures of men, too. Perhaps even a few good looking men. ;-) That just won't be the only criterion.
(and I hope this doesn't imply that is YOUR only criterion, I don't mean that at all)

Part of the trouble is...we are still a society that "objectifies" a woman. (I'm not sure that's a word
but you know what I mean). Here in Norman, a young man just shot his girlfriend to death because
she wanted him to move out. Leaving the ease with which he was able to get a gun aside for a moment,
what does it say about a society where this kid felt he had to SHOOT her rather than have to move out?

Or where police have to be TRAINED to recognize domestic abuse and deal with it (instead of what
they have been doing...which is ignoring it or thinking it's no big deal). I understand it's *human* nature,
but that doesn't make it right and that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to change it.

Any society that has little girls looking up to Britney Spears is a scary society, at least imnsho.

In a perfect world, the nude body would be just that...a nude body, no big deal.
And women would be equals on every level.

And we'd both be rich. <g>

sarah
 

Sarah, ...excluding the Laura pictures, is there really "skin" on bartcop.com?

From: GrannyC

Subject: You do not offend smart women

Some women have never been around men who truly LIKE THEM.   So they take
offense when the a male shows off a collection of great photos.   These women just
need some time to realize THEY TOO are well liked and appreciated.

You have actually seemed to realize that some are offended by harsh language -- which is nice.
What you do is PERFECT!

Those who complain would not have liked your stuff anyway.

grannyc

From: Rain Cat

Subject: question re content that insults women

hi bc,

well, here are some initial thoughts on your question if there's anything on your site that insults women...
first, i'm not offended by the dr. laura pics because she is a sanctimonious jerk.

i was a little bit offended by the linked site with the photos of nekkid women with the president bunnypants head;
no real political message there, just an excuse to look at nekkid women.  i think the real damage there was done
to all those hetero guys that probably tried to gouge their eyes out after seeing that.

<snip>

rain cat

Rain, thanks for that, but you're confusing me.
You might argue that this picture is obscene,

 but do you really see nudity there?