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Subject: Detroit cars
I got to pay a lot of money for a car.
Why should I buy a piece of crap that's not going
to last just because the factory is in the U.S.?
Especially since I can buy a quality "import"
that was also manufactured here in the U.S.,
and costs me less to buy, less to operate, less
to maintain and less to insure.
Bottom line ...
The 1995 FORD Escort wagon I bought in 1998 was manufactured in Hermosillo, Mexico. Good car for the most part ...
The 1998 MAZDA I bought when I got back to the
states in 2005 - to find I had a second blown engine in the Escort
- was manufactured in Flat Rock, Michigan.
Just 'cause it's got an American brand name don't mean it was made in the USA.
And yeah, Toyota et al only manufactures 40% of
their vehicles in the U.S., but that's because they only SELL
40% of their vehicles in the U.S. That is, they
manufacture here what they sell here; and vice versa.
Except for the stuff they manufacture in Canada and Mexico; like the U.S. manufacturers do.
Chrysler went bankrupt, and Glenn lost his job,
because the "investors" stripped the assets
out of the company and left 'em producing crap
cars.
Management didn't care for the customers, or the workers ... they only cared for their short term "profits".
If Glenn and his cohorts got a problem, they should
take it up with the ones who screwed 'em,
and not come whining at me.
John S
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Subject: Detroit cars
You are so full of shit it's rolling out of your
eyes.
Chuck Newman
Chuck, since you said nothing, I'll have to guess
what you meant to say:
Are you saying Detroit makes such a good product
that it's no wonder why
they are swimming in profits and can't keep up
with the huge demand?
Blaming me for Detroit's problems is part of Detroit's problem.
*I* recognize the fact that America has turned away from Detroit and that calls for personal insults?
"Fuck you" is not a good reason to buy an inferior car that won't last.
Remember the quote Bush loved to mangle?
"Fool me twice, shame on me."
Detroit fooled most people 5-8 times and they got fed up.
Japan gave them a better car at a better price and it starts every
time.
Blame me for that if you must.
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Subject: Detroit cars
Well, when my wife bought her first 'pizza', a
Nissan, I only felt moderate nausea.
When she dumped that for a Honda, I threw up.
Ever noticed how Japanese cars are designed for
people 5'6" and under 100 lbs?
My Ford truck has 215,000+ happy miles on it and
has been known to haul Toyotas out of ditches.
Oh, and the Honda? Dumped it for a Lincoln Town
Car and couldn't be happier.
-- lonestar
I'm glad you had a positive experience with Detroit.
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Subject: Detroit cars
Bart, I bought only American cars for many years:
Ford, Chrysler and GM.
In every case something major would go wrong
or fail not long after the purchase.
Eventually, my wife suggested buying a Honda Accord
(manufactured in Marysville, Ohio).
It was a smart move. No problems for tens
of thousands of miles.
Quality is the issue for me and American autos
fell short.
(I understand that Consumer Reports has recently
rated Ford products almost on par with imports.)
I grew tired of wasting my money and subsidizing
substandard products by “buying American”.
Detroit never got it and it took bankruptcies
and plant closings to wake it up. The status quo was happy at the
time:
CEO pay was astronomical and labor wages and
benefits were generous and secure.
But they were insulated from the real world and
it finally caught up with them.
Pat VB
I forget the numbers but I think I remember reading that Toyota's CEO
makes 20 times
more money than the assembly line worker. But in America, it's
like 2,000 times more.
The greedy Republicans at the top ruined things for everybody.
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Subject: Detroit cars
Man, I don't understand where all this bashing
American autos is coming from.
I bought a used 1996 Chevy half ton pickup in
2001. In fact I picked it up the week that the WTC got hit.
It had about 40k miles, and since then I have
added at least that many more, and I'll tell you something...I USE my truck!
I literally run the balls off of it (vortec v6)
and have only had to replace the waterpump, which I did myself in about
45 mins.
Liked it so well that I bought a GMC last year
and we love it I'm 62 years old and have owned vehichles made
by all the
Big 3 at one time or other, some good, some not
so hot, but I've always had good luck with GM products.
Farmer Larry in Ohio
Larry, something is making people afraid to buy cars from Detroit.
What else could it be but dissatisfaction with their products?
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Subject: Detroit cars
Bartcoppy,
I reluctantly have a problem with your, yes your,
reasoning about Detroit autos.
I think we can agree public option healthcare
is not the best economic deal in the short term
(long term, I think it'll pay...big time), but
a reason to have it is because it is the right thing to do.
Compassion, fairness, yadda, yadda, yadda.
Buying Detroit is in the same vein.
Short term, possibly not the wisest move, but
in the long run, we will be giving the auto industry
time to put competitive models in our driveways...witness
Chevy producing the Volt for next year
...and that shitty little car they have now that
everybody loves (can't remember the name).
So, even though your appraisal of the situation
is correct, we need to do it for the greater good...
our economy, union buddies, truth, justice and
the American way.
Face it, we don't got no manufacturing, we don't
got no middle class...and we don't got no recovery.
We'll just have overlords and underfeets...which
will we be?
Sooooo, "Buy American" is jingoistic and a phrase
that strikes joy into the Chamber of Commerce,
but it beats "Forclose America."
Keep swinging Bartbuddy...but not at American
cars.
Wayne, Dayton
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Subject: Detroit cars
To keep the Mexican in Mexico – Buy American cars!!
Just Kiddin’…sort of.
I own two – a 2000 Pontiac Sunfire with 101k and
a 2006 Malibu.
Never a problem with the SF, till about 500 miles
ago it started leaking from the front seal…somewhere.
It’s about a 10 mile round trip to work, so when
I’m not riding my bicycle, I take that and I’ll get YEARS out of it yet.
Bought it with 39k on it 5 years ago. Nothing
happening with the Malibu…40k and still rolling strong.
But buying those two cars…that’s gotta have helped
like, what, 10 Mexicans stay in Mexico?
I’m just sayin’.
You want a solution to Americans immigration problem,
BUY AMERICAN!! LOL!
Dennis in Portland, OR
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