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Subject: Tillman
Bart,
I am an Army Infantry veteran. Granted it has
been many years since I handled and M-16,
but at that time there was no such thing as a
"default setting for a three round burst".
And I have never before heard of such a thing
on an M-16 since. It was either single shot or "rock and roll".
And the automatic rate of fire for an M-16 was
so fast that it would have been nearly impossible to pinch off
a burst of less than a half dozen or so rounds
in a single burst at full auto. Even if there were a setting for a
three round burst, the M-16 with anything
other than a single shot is going to pull up and to the left on each
consecutive shot expelled.
I think this would eliminate the possibility of
a shot group close enough to hit a target the size of a human skull
with all three rounds from one burst at a distance
more than a couple of feet, or point blank. If Pat had more than
one round in his head at the time of his death,
they would have to have been placed by single shots, or at extremely
close range. At least that is my opinion from
my experience of many years ago.
If I am full of crap, I am willing to accept the
opinion of someone with more recent experience with today's weapons.
Dennis in STL
Dennis, the coroner already proved they lied about how it happened.
Maybe the Democrats can get some answers with the bastards under oath.
Subject: Tillman
Bart, I just read an entry that mentioned Tillman
keeping a journal and it not being among his personal effects.
And there's a part of his story that has always
perplexed me - perhaps a reader of your site with military
experience could explain it
Why were his uniform and equipment set on fire
after the incident?
Is this something that is normally done after
a soldier is killed?
I'm sure I've read it, but I rarely hear that fact mentioned anymore.
Keep hammering, Bart. We need you.
Joe G. in Cleveland
Who Ordered Tillman's Uniform and Notebook Burned?
Excerpt:
Within hours of Pat Tillman's death, the Army
went into information-lockdown mode,
cutting off phone and Internet connections at
a base in Afghanistan, posting guards on
a wounded platoon mate, and ordering a sergeant
to
burn Tillman's uniform.
Subject: Tillman
Bart, I was an M16 instructor and have an M16
expert ribbon from my Navy days.
Automatic fire from an M16 is horribly inacurrate.
After the first round is fired the recoil
sends the bullets wherever.
A three round burst at a target 100 yards away
will generally wing it or bring it down.
It can't be single shots unless Tillman was shot
two more times after he was dead on the ground.
The shooter was very close (and lucky) using
automatic fire to put three rounds in an 3" x 6" target
(forehead). Snipers don't use automatic
fire.
DC Madman
Subject: Tillman
Yo Bart, I knew about the M16's three shot burst
setting. But!
The key thing here is what the hell was that
highly trained ranger thinking
when he fired off that burst at close range.
Even if he could see only Tillman's head when
he fired you mean to tell me he wasn't capable
of recognizing an American battle helmet, caucasian
facial features and english language being
shouted when he carefully aimed at his forehead?
I have a nauseating feeling this was an ordered
frag and it's just going to fade away.
DFG in blue PA
Subject: Tillman
Adding to your list:
Or if you are an over zealous general with a misguided
notion of trying
to prevent embarassment to the administration....?
Greg
